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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 2:29 PM

NVSRR

I noticed the track spacing is 2 1/4.  Through the yard where you have. 30. Inch dimension I count 18 tracks through that dimension point.   That right there would need to be at least 46 inches for all that track.    Or did I miss something?
shane

 

 

I am thinking, judging from the drawing, that the 30 should be a 48.

 

 

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 2:49 PM

"What's best type of uncoupling magnet-hidden under the ties or ones that mount ontop of the ties?"

Why, UNDER, of course, because real railroads don't have big magnets scattered on the tracks everywhere.  Of course, you'll have to have a way to keep track of the Unders.  That'll be a Kadee #308:

https://www.kadee.com/ho-scale-uncouplers-c-274_280_300/

To the right, you'll see #309, the electric version.  You will likely be using a lot of them, for sure on the main, and quite possibly in the yard.  The 308 is pretty decent for industrial sidings and stuff like you "ash pickup track".  You can lessen the need for the uncouplers by using the "delayed" feature, I am told.  I recommend you try it out on the bench before you assume it will make you happy.

 

"What would be the best type of turnout control for this type of layout?"

The answer partly depends on you feelings of reaching into the layout to throw a switch, and having an unprototypical thingy replacing a switch stand.

That said, remember that on the main, there are many turnouts that don't have switchstands, anyway.

For a simpler layout, I'd consider mounting the switch throws at the edge of the layout, and using a mechanical linkage.  This layout is too full for that, I think. 

 

I would likely suck it up and bulk order some Tortoise.  And build control panels on BOTH sides of the yard.  THAT will be a lot of wiring, and keep you quite busy for awhile.

Considering how much fun it is to work above one's head while kneeling on the floor, I recommend doing the yard in modular sections, so that you can lift (hoist) out a section and turn it upside down to work on the switch machines and wiring and all that.

If that's looking, uh, unrewarding, the other choice is the first variant mentioned:

But PLEASE not out on the main!

 

Ed

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Posted by MSM on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 3:32 PM

Hi Shane,

Thanks for your comment, I got really concerned there for a minute...

Main line is spaced 2 1/4 inches with min radius 36" and yard spacing - below

 

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Posted by MSM on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 3:34 PM

Ed, thanks and hope all is well...

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Posted by MSM on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 3:41 PM
Layout room 24' wide x 27' deep. Actual layout itself 24' x 24' with a 3' operating aisle located back side of the yard (top drawing). Thanks
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Posted by MSM on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 3:46 PM
Agreed... Just thought It might be a good idea to re-post after I made some changes based on some of the comments/suggestions I received before my account got hacked. I'm really glad I re-posted because I received a lot of helpful information especially on the operations side. Thanks
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Posted by MSM on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 3:50 PM
Steam only layout and I see the engine facility as a very vital and busy place during operations.
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Posted by MSM on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 3:55 PM

Please see attached

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 4:13 PM

7j43k
I would likely suck it up and bulk order some Tortoise.

I bought 4 twelve packs from Model Train Stuff about a year and a half ago. If you know you will need them, buy them now.

It really stinks to get to the point where you need them, and they are unavailable, price increases, or design changes. This advice applies to a lot of Model Railroading items.

-Kevin

Wink Happily modeling my STRATTON & GILLETTE RAILROAD. A Class A line located in a personal fantasy world of semi-plausible nonsense on Tuesday, August 3rd, 1954.

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Posted by Doughless on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 4:27 PM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL

 

 
richhotrain

 

 
SeeYou190
 
richhotrain
But over these past 17 years, I have refined my modeling tastes and found myself with stuff that I don't want or need, not only structures but also locomotives and rolling stock, especially passenger cars. 

It has taken me 40 years, two scales, two eras, and five layouts to figure out what I really want out of this hobby.

I also have a lot of passenger cars that do not thrill me all that much.

-Kevin 

 

 

To borrow a lyric from U2, I stll haven't found what I'm looking for.

 

Rich

 

 

 

I must be unusual, I started in this hobby at age 10, I'm 64 now, and by age 20 I know exactly what kind of model railroad I wanted. All my layouts since then have reflected my current goals.

I started out as a teen modeling the 60's, but other than that era change to 1954, I have never changed scale, locale, or type of railroad. By my 20's I had most of my design and operational goals in place. By my 30's I had the space and money.

In my 50's I perfected my operational plan and partually took down one layout to redo it.

So most everything I have gathered fits my goals perfectly.

Now to build the last version......

Sheldon

 

I don't know what is usual and what isn't.  Meaning what is normal and what isn't.

For me, I would say that life's journey impacts what I might find interesting, and since the journey changed, the some aspects of model railroad interests followed along. 

All I know is that when I was a teenager in 1977 being inspired by the V&O, I had no contemplation that I would find 2010 more interesting, until 2010 actually got here.

And I had no idea that places other than my home state of Nebraska would be just as interesting to model, until I actually moved there. 

I know that if I move to Florida, I will get to know the area well....that's what I do...so my interests will likely move with it.  I'm getting prepared.  

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 5:54 PM

Doughless
All I know is that when I was a teenager in 1977 being inspired by the V&O, I had no contemplation that I would find 2010 more interesting, until 2010 actually got here.

A a teen I was inspired by Tony Koester's ALLEGHENY MIDLAND. That is why the first two SGRR layouts were heavy into coal hauling in tree covered hills.

Then Tony prototyped his layout, and I lost interest.

When I switched to HO, I really thought I would keep the same era, but my interests turned to steam locomotives, and back-dating the SGRR happened.

I know if I were to start over, it would be in G scale, set in the 1960s, and be different again. That is not going to happen, but I know interests change over time.

-Kevin

Wink Happily modeling my STRATTON & GILLETTE RAILROAD. A Class A line located in a personal fantasy world of semi-plausible nonsense on Tuesday, August 3rd, 1954.

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Posted by tstage on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 6:36 PM

MSM
Steam only layout and I see the engine facility as a very vital and busy place during operations.

Just a suggestion, MSM: You might try using the "quote" feature so that other readers/posters know who exactly you are responding to with you posts.  To add a quote:

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  3. Add your response AFTER the 2nd bracketed "quote" (or "[/quote]") - You can also edit the quote by deleting any parts or portions of it that you are not interested in responding to.
  4. When you are finished press the "Submit Your Reply" button at the bottom of the page to post your response.  It should look like the quote at the top of this post.

That's all there is to it!  Happy quoting...

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Posted by Doughless on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 7:50 PM

SeeYou190

 

 
Doughless
All I know is that when I was a teenager in 1977 being inspired by the V&O, I had no contemplation that I would find 2010 more interesting, until 2010 actually got here.

 

A a teen I was inspired by Tony Koester's ALLEGHENY MIDLAND. That is why the first two SGRR layouts were heavy into coal hauling in tree covered hills.

Then Tony prototyped his layout, and I lost interest.

When I switched to HO, I really thought I would keep the same era, but my interests turned to steam locomotives, and back-dating the SGRR happened.

I know if I were to start over, it would be in G scale, set in the 1960s, and be different again. That is not going to happen, but I know interests change over time.

-Kevin

 

With respectful sensitivity to the OPs track plan thread, I'll make one more comment about this.

I have had two distinct interests forming the past few years.  Both freelanced shortlines of course. 

One modern era, more robust railroad with a decent level of activity.  Maybe an appearance by the nearby Class 1.

The other a backwoods Southern Georgia sleepy line.  Woodchips, Kaolin, and peanut farming.  Era about 1970.  Sw1200s.  Still could use 40 foot converted woodchip hoppers.

One would have more track and buildings than the other.  

Dilemma: Two distinct themes, at least different enough it would be hard to combine them.

How do I choose between two conflicting but equal interests?

Solution:  Two separate layouts.   One chair height, one standing height.  Built like a double level layout, but no helix.  Not connected. 

The sleepy line would have few buildings.  Could be mainly trees and backdrop and only 12 inches deep as to not interfere with the lower layout.

This requires more thought.

 

- Douglas

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Posted by MSM on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 11:23 PM

tstage

Just a suggestion, MSM: You might try using the "quote" feature so that other readers/posters know who exactly you are responding to with you posts.  To add a quote:

  1. Click on the "Reply" button to the post you want to respond to.
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  3. Add your response AFTER the 2nd bracketed "quote" (or "

") - You can also edit the quote by deleting any parts or portions of it that you are not interested in responding to.
  • When you are finished press the "Submit Your Reply" button at the bottom of the page to post your response.  It should look like the quote at the top of this post.
  • That's all there is to it!  Happy quoting...

    Tom

    Thanks Tom...

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    Posted by MSM on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 11:46 PM

    NVSRR

    I noticed the track spacing is 2 1/4.  Through the yard where you have. 30. Inch dimension I count 18 tracks through that dimension point.   That right there would need to be at least 46 inches for all that track.    Or did I miss something?
    shane

     

     
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    Posted by MSM on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 11:49 PM

    7j43k

    "What's best type of uncoupling magnet-hidden under the ties or ones that mount ontop of the ties?"

    Why, UNDER, of course, because real railroads don't have big magnets scattered on the tracks everywhere.  Of course, you'll have to have a way to keep track of the Unders.  That'll be a Kadee #308:

    https://www.kadee.com/ho-scale-uncouplers-c-274_280_300/

    To the right, you'll see #309, the electric version.  You will likely be using a lot of them, for sure on the main, and quite possibly in the yard.  The 308 is pretty decent for industrial sidings and stuff like you "ash pickup track".  You can lessen the need for the uncouplers by using the "delayed" feature, I am told.  I recommend you try it out on the bench before you assume it will make you happy.

     

    "What would be the best type of turnout control for this type of layout?"

    The answer partly depends on you feelings of reaching into the layout to throw a switch, and having an unprototypical thingy replacing a switch stand.

    That said, remember that on the main, there are many turnouts that don't have switchstands, anyway.

    For a simpler layout, I'd consider mounting the switch throws at the edge of the layout, and using a mechanical linkage.  This layout is too full for that, I think. 

     

    I would likely suck it up and bulk order some Tortoise.  And build control panels on BOTH sides of the yard.  THAT will be a lot of wiring, and keep you quite busy for awhile.

    Considering how much fun it is to work above one's head while kneeling on the floor, I recommend doing the yard in modular sections, so that you can lift (hoist) out a section and turn it upside down to work on the switch machines and wiring and all that.

    If that's looking, uh, unrewarding, the other choice is the first variant mentioned:

    But PLEASE not out on the main!

     

    Ed

     

     
    Tortoise and control panels sounds good, thanks
     

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