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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 8:41 AM

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 Have you looked at Peco Code 83 turnouts? Much nicer than the Shinohara ones ever were. Proper North American style, not like Peco 100 and Peco 75.

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Hi Randy, I will take issue with you there. When I looked on Google Earth at N. American (straight) Turnouts, in exact Plan-view - the Shinohara T/O's seemed to have the correct Straight Frog and Diverging Track, 'appearance'. With PECO T/O's, the Frogs look IMO, as if they are curved, following thru from the curve of the Point.

As for Notched-out Stockrails & Pressed-metal Point Blades, I think their appearance looks despicable and I have used PECO Streamline C-100 (European HO) on my British OO Scale Layouts for all my Model Railways - so I know what I am talking about. However, PECO T/O's are quality, robust and reliable products.

Researching the Digi-Archives, there are several past articles about 'improving' Shinohara T/O's, not just DC to DCC but making the Point-blades action and electrical continuity - more reliable. The Tie-bar Springs I have fitted have solved this.

One thing I like about the new Walthers Track, are the one-piece Point-blades, which look very realistic. I look forward to seeing these T/O's on a layout. My 2 No. Tillig Elite HO (European) T/O's have this feature and no Notched Stockrails either. They have blended-in with my Shinohara/Atlas/Peco Track quite well. Regards, Paul

 

 

The PECO code 83 line is not like the older streamline product. The code 83 line is a straight frog north American correct design.

It does however have a slightly more compact closure radius than the ATLAS Custom Line product.

Personally I don't care for the PECO for a number of reasons, but the code 83 product is a straight frog.

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Posted by Lazers on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 8:01 AM

rrinker

 Have you looked at Peco Code 83 turnouts? Much nicer than the Shinohara ones ever were. Proper North American style, not like Peco 100 and Peco 75.

                               --Randy

  

Hi Randy, I will take issue with you there. When I looked on Google Earth at N. American (straight) Turnouts, in exact Plan-view - the Shinohara T/O's seemed to have the correct Straight Frog and Diverging Track, 'appearance'. With PECO T/O's, the Frogs look IMO, as if they are curved, following thru from the curve of the Point.

As for Notched-out Stockrails & Pressed-metal Point Blades, I think their appearance looks despicable and I have used PECO Streamline C-100 (European HO) on my British OO Scale Layouts for all my Model Railways - so I know what I am talking about. However, PECO T/O's are quality, robust and reliable products.

Researching the Digi-Archives, there are several past articles about 'improving' Shinohara T/O's, not just DC to DCC but making the Point-blades action and electrical continuity - more reliable. The Tie-bar Springs I have fitted have solved this.

One thing I like about the new Walthers Track, are the one-piece Point-blades, which look very realistic. I look forward to seeing these T/O's on a layout. My 2 No. Tillig Elite HO (European) T/O's have this feature and no Notched Stockrails either. They have blended-in with my Shinohara/Atlas/Peco Track quite well. Regards, Paul

 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:34 AM

rrinker

 Have you looked at Peco Code 83 turnouts? Much nicer than the Shinohara ones ever were. Proper North American style, not like Peco 100 and Peco 75.

                               --Randy

I have both code 83 and code 100 Peco.  I'm using the Peco 100 in staging where appearance is not critical and since I'm not made of money, it also helps that the code 100 track (in general) is less expensive for area's like that.

The curved turnout in the foreground is a Peco code 83 at the start of staging but the rest beyond is all code 100.  Beyond the curved turnout will be below the main visible part of the layout.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, October 12, 2020 6:16 PM

 Have you looked at Peco Code 83 turnouts? Much nicer than the Shinohara ones ever were. Proper North American style, not like Peco 100 and Peco 75.

                               --Randy

 


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Posted by Lazers on Monday, October 12, 2020 5:22 PM

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Walthers old version turnouts were probably the nicest looking of the pre-fab turnouts of north American style.  Their only Achiles heal are the bronze contact plate under the points which passed power through the points.  The power contacts are not reliable.  They can also jam the points to one side as well - which happened to me.

The new line of Walthers track is supposed to be improved over the last line.  The flex track will be new too and I'd be interested to hear how it is, how it bahaves. The old Walthers flex was made by Shinohara and was difficult to bend and massage into shape, smilar to ME flex.  Let us know how the new Walthers flex is.  Many have noted it is very pricey compared to other brands.

 

 
I agree with Rio that Shinohara Turnouts are the most aesthetic and accurate match to USA T/O's, but their electro-mechanical features and robustness is not a their strong-point. I know from experience and I often yearned for my reliable PECO Points, from previous Model Railway days.
 
My Shinohara track was difficult to manipulate and with the slightest 'too much finger-pressure', the rail would occasionally pop-out of the Ties.
I hope that Walthers have sorted these issues. Paul
 
 

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Monday, October 12, 2020 2:32 PM

riogrande5761

I've read that Peco is somewhere between Atlas and ME in terms of easy to bend.  I have some Peco code 83 but haven't gotten to that part of the layout yet 

 

That's my experience so far, limited though it is as far as the ME track is concerned.

Peco uses much softer plastic for its ties and the spike heads are tiny. The ends of the rails tend to pop out from under the spike heads more easily with Peco when you bend close to the end.  

 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Monday, October 12, 2020 2:28 PM

I've read that Peco is somewhere between Atlas and ME in terms of easy to bend.  I have some Peco code 83 but haven't gotten to that part of the layout yet 

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Monday, October 12, 2020 2:09 PM

Walthers flex track is similar to Atlas.  One rail is fixed to the ties fairly firmly while the other slides easily.  It is designed to be bent primarily in one direction, with the gaps in the tie webs all on the one side. The rail itself seems to be stiffer than the Peco or Model Engineering flex track and if so must be made of a different alloy. Walthers and Atlas flex track spring back as you bend it.

Peco and ME use gaps in both sides of the tie webs. Each brand is much easier to bend and will bend in the same way in either direction.  Both tend to stay bent as you shape your bends. ME also has no spike heads on the end ties, which is interesting, and allows space for the rail joiner to slip between the rail and the tie. Other brands require removal of the spike heads to achieve that.

ME is by far the easiest to bend right at the end of the piece of flex track. So far I have only the ME Code 70 to work with at the moment. 

I have not yet installed either Walthers or ME  but so far Walthers seems to me to be superior to Atlas and ME superior to Peco. Which you prefer depends on the amount of bending  you expect to do.  

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:39 AM

Walthers old version turnouts were probably the nicest looking of the pre-fab turnouts of north American style.  Their only Achiles heal are the bronze contact plate under the points which passed power through the points.  The power contacts are not reliable.  They can also jam the points to one side as well - which happened to me.

The new line of Walthers track is supposed to be improved over the last line.  The flex track will be new too and I'd be interested to hear how it is, how it bahaves. The old Walthers flex was made by Shinohara and was difficult to bend and massage into shape, smilar to ME flex.  Let us know how the new Walthers flex is.  Many have noted it is very pricey compared to other brands.

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:34 AM

Well, I'm going to buy a box. As long as you build at least one yard you can easily justify using different brands of track on one layout.

We've used Atlas and Peco so far. Both have their advantages and drawbacks.

I have some ME Code 70 I wish to try out also.  I have one ME Code 83 ladder system turnout to try in a small main yard I have in mind. The space saving ladder design intrigues me since the geometry seems inflexible to me. ME claims their design saves space. I shall see.

I also like long turnouts if I have space. Walthers is planning to build some #11.....

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Posted by peahrens on Sunday, September 20, 2020 8:15 AM

I guess the new Walthers track is from a unique manufacturer and not replicating the prior W-S designs?

I used Atlas flex track and crossings and W-S turnouts in 2012.  I liked the wide variety of W-S turnouts, including various wyes (I did not need these) and curved turnouts (I used 7-1/2s) plus a 3-way I ended up adding. It will be interesting to hear reviews of the new Walthers on arrival.

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Posted by BATMAN on Saturday, September 19, 2020 11:55 PM

I used thirteen boxes of Walthers Shinohara track on my layout. When I got back into the hobby the local train shop had one piece of each of most brands stuck to a piece of plywood on the wall so you could compare. I just liked the look of the Walthers the best so went with that. Also on foam.

 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 PM

Walthers track used to be made by Shinohara, but Shinohara closed down.  So if you buy Walthers old stock track, thats who manufactured it.

Altas code 83 is easy to work with but the rail profile was not great.  I ordered some Atlas code 100 recently and noticed they have improved the rail profile and the molded tie detail is finer than it used to be.  If they have made the same improvements to the code 83, then it should look better than what it used to.  I may have to order a piece to see for my self.

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:22 PM

Go with Atlas Code 83 flextrack. A lot less expensive than Walthers and is looks just fine.

 

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Walthers code 83 track
Posted by Lastspikemike on Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:52 PM

Is this Shinohara track re-branded as just "Walthers"?

What is it like to work with as compared to Peco or Atlas?

Are the turnouts better or not?

Buying track for my new shelf layout to be built 100% on foam fitted to a bookcase shelf support system that screws to the wall, I.e. 100% cantilevered load, (very high cantilever ratio in fact). 

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