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Posted by Motley on Saturday, August 17, 2019 4:24 PM

Your are right mobileman, I should keep Coors brewery.

Ok Coors is back, and I also made a track for a coal flood loader, and moved the coal mine to the right corner.

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Posted by mobilman44 on Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:05 PM
I like the first track plan more than the second one. That first track plan has a lot more visual interest. If you lay the turnouts carefully, you will have little need to use the access hole.
 
Did you give up on modeling the Coors brewery (I recall that from your earlier posts)? 
 
I drove by it years ago and it was pretty impressive, and would make an interesting and unusual scene.  
 
Good luck with your progress!

ENJOY  !

 

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Posted by UNCLEBUTCH on Saturday, August 17, 2019 9:52 AM

snjroy
Keep in mind that when you enter your layout, you often do so with something in your hands (e.g. that expensive and fragile steam engine...). A

 That was the problem I had. Its one thing to just squat down andmove forward,try doing it with your hands. full. Then fast forward a coulpe of years and ask your body to do it.

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Posted by jalajoie on Saturday, August 17, 2019 9:14 AM

Glad to see you are back.

 

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Posted by snjroy on Saturday, August 17, 2019 9:08 AM

Keep in mind that when you enter your layout, you often do so with something in your hands (e.g. that expensive and fragile steam engine...). A hinged liftout is a bit of a pain to build, but it really makes it much more easy to enter without damaging anything. Visitors will prefer a liftout for sure. We have a duck under at the club and it's a pain!

Simon

PS: I vote for plan 2. Nice and simple.

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Posted by selector on Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:56 AM

You can still have a duck-under and not get a skinned back.  The idea is to sit on a computer desk, or some other rolling, chair/stool, and use that to scooch under the benchwork.  Stand up on the other side, or raise what you're sitting on for a better view.

Aside from that (and I have had either a duck-under or a lift-out on all my four layouts to date), you have a fair whack of unused space.  I would find a way to at least have a 'turning eye' type peninsula running from left toward the centre of the room.  Otherwise, I really have decided that around-the-room layouts give me the most enjoyment and he longest runs...

...but only when they comprise a folded loop.  

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Posted by Motley on Friday, August 16, 2019 10:49 PM

Thanks, I appreciate all the feedback on this. I believe I can deal with the entrance duckunder as I am a small guy.

My other layout at the other house was just horrible, access holes everywhere.

The reason I reduced some of those operating industries, turntable, etc. is I prefer seeing long trains running through mountain scenery. I can just manually switch trains out with 5 finger.

I also plan on building a table in the middle for dcc system, program track, and storage for trains.

This is the benchwork I have now, so just need to cut part of this out.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Friday, August 16, 2019 8:36 PM

The solution to a duck under is a well constructed lift out or lift up. My new layout will have one to enter the layout area, and one to go from the layout area to the workshop area.

Those nimble enough can duck, those not so nimble can lift up and walk thru, they will not need to be traversed to operate the layout.

My new layout plan does not have any space wasting turnback loops against walls (the curves will be big, such a loop would require an 8' x 8' space), and as you view the layout, West is always to your left, East is always to your right. The layout will go along the walls, all the way around the room, with two peninsulas out into the room.

So, since the stairs do not come down in the center of the room, you will have to "get inside" the layout to enter the room. A situation I have no trouble with.

There are no reverse loops on the layout, but you can turn a whole train - there will be a wye on the mainline which feeds a 20' long staging yard.

Sheldon  

    

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, August 16, 2019 7:10 PM

UNCLEBUTCH
I suggest you think long and hard about the duck under. I can tell you from first hand experence they get old really fast.

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I will second this.

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I had a duckunder in the "Spare Bedroom" layout when first built, and it came out a few months later.

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-Kevin

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Wink Happily modeling my STRATTON & GILLETTE RAILROAD. A Class A line located in a personal fantasy world of semi-plausible nonsense on Tuesday, August 3rd, 1954.

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Posted by UNCLEBUTCH on Friday, August 16, 2019 6:33 PM

 I suggest you think long and hard about the duck under. I can tell you from first hand experence they get old really fast..

As to the plans; I really like shelf types, so the 2nd one gets my vote,for whatever thats worth

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Posted by BNSF UP and others modeler on Friday, August 16, 2019 4:52 PM

You might be able to fashion a gate or liftout to open up your layout to the access hole, which would eliminate the need to duck. The reason I propose this is because I think you should stick with your first plan. It looks more unsymetrical, seems to have more operation potential, and just overall appears more realistic and prototypical.

Just my My 2 Cents. Its your layout, after all.

I'm beginning to realize that Windows 10 and sound decoders have a lot in common. There are so many things you have to change in order to get them to work the way you want.

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New layout
Posted by Motley on Friday, August 16, 2019 4:40 PM

Hello guys I'm back. After a 3 year hiatus not having a layout I am back and ready to resume building my layout. Life stuff happens, and I had to sell most of my trains, so gonna have to start all over.

To give you some context, 3 years ago I moved into a new home. This layout is in a spare bedroom 12x16 will be around the walls with entrance duckunder.

HO Scale code 83
12' x 15.5'
Min radius 36"
Track height 42"
Era  1999-Current
D&RGW, UP, BNSF
location is Moffat Line Middle Park, CO to Cheyenne, WY

I had already started on the benchwork 3 years ago. And I have decided to change the plan a bit. Decided I don't want to deal with an access hole for the large loop.

Let me know what y'll think.

Old plan

New plan

Michael


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