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Posted by BNSF UP and others modeler on Sunday, May 27, 2018 9:34 PM

Ok, so I would use the 28" outer curve for the mainline and the diverging route for sidings that will not handel intermodal and passenger?

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Posted by BMMECNYC on Sunday, May 27, 2018 9:49 PM

BNSF UP and others modeler

Ok, so I would use the 28" outer curve for the mainline and the diverging route for sidings that will not handel intermodal and passenger?

 

Well, 

I would suggest you re-read the thread I linked about Shinohara curved turnouts.

Go to the fast tracks website and print out the CAD drawing of a 28"/24" radius turnout (or just view it on your screen).  Willing to bet the Shinohara does not match.

Here is a link:

https://www.handlaidtrack.com/tt-ho-r-10-l-28-24

Notice that it is a #10 turnout... 

Tim Warris, one of the owners of FastTracks discussed this at length back in 2004:

A google search for these words "curved turnout conspiracy fast tracks forum" should give you a first result that explains in detail what is happening. 

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, May 28, 2018 1:00 AM

BNSF UP and others modeler
Will try to post pics, unless someone already knows what radii they would be.

I made a few photos for a thread a while back* in regards to Shinohara code 83 curved turnouts. Maybe it will help?

 IMG_0261_W by Edmund, on Flickr

The 36° / 32° is called a Number 8 in the Walthers catalog.

 IMG_0263_W by Edmund, on Flickr

I had a crossover on a curve using a pair of curved #8s. It was very reliable and pretty cool to look at as wellYes

I'll try to find the thread. The reason my "Post-Its" have ° in stead of R is that's the way Shinohara marks the bottom of the turnout.

* http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/p/266030/3007303.aspx#3007303

 

 

https://www.walthers.com/page/code83trackTemplate_grid.pdf


 

I am under the impression that Shinohara track may be hard to find in the future due to the retirement of one of the principals. Just something I came across recently.

 

Update on Walthers and Shinohara Track
Walthers is currently experiencing some challenges restocking our popular Walthers Code 83 HO scale track and also Shinohara Code 70 and Code 100 track. However, Walthers is working closely with Shinohara to improve future supplies of these excellent products and hope to have another shipment in stock soon. We are accepting back orders on all Walthers Code 83 HO scale track and Shinohara Code 70 and Code 100 track, and orders will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis. Thank you for your understanding and patience.

 

Perhaps Walthers can step in and find someone to continue production?

Good Luck, Ed

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Posted by VOLKER LANDWEHR on Monday, May 28, 2018 4:20 AM

Ed, you are giving the information from the turnouts. The thread you linked started with the question for the true radii. And there seems to be a difference to the Walthers information. http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/t/138163.aspx

The 20th post by gerhard_k summarizes the measurements of different people that the inner radius in reality is 2 inch smaller than in the official information and the difference between inner and outer radius is 6'' instead of 4''.

There are other sources with the same tendency.

I haven't measured myself so I can't confirm just say take a critical look.
Regards, Volker

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, May 28, 2018 5:21 AM

VOLKER LANDWEHR
Ed, you are giving the information from the turnouts.

It shows the discrepancy in my bottom photo with the cardstock 22" radius laid over the center of the diverging route of the "28/24" .

Here is the post from Gerhard:

gerhard_k
About a year ago, there were several threads about the Walthers Code 83 curved turnouts. Several posters reported measuring the actual radius of the inner leg, and I kept these notes: #6.5 is 20" radius (per Walthers), 16.5" measured by Tom Bryant, and 18" measured by dante. #7 is 24" radius (per Walthers), 20.5" measured by Tom Bryant, and 22" measured by dante. #7.5 is 28" radius (per Walthers), 24" measured by Tom Bryant, and 26" measured by dante. #8 is 32" radius (per Walthers), 30" measured by Tom Bryant, and 30" measured by dante. Mike Lehman, otoh, claims that his measurements agree closely with Walthers. The outer radius is generally agreed to be as Walthers claims, 24", 28", 32", and 36". So, it looks like a #7 would be very close to what you are looking for. Just remember, once you start putting actual turnouts down on the layout, the geometry will always vary slightly from the theoretical. Good luck - Gerhard
 

Again, I had the photos on hand so I posted them with the thought someone could get some use out of them.

Thank You, Ed

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Posted by BMMECNYC on Monday, May 28, 2018 7:36 PM

gmpullman
I am under the impression that Shinohara track may be hard to find in the future due to the retirement of one of the principals. Just something I came across recently.   Update on Walthers and Shinohara Track Walthers is currently experiencing some challenges restocking our popular Walthers Code 83 HO scale track and also Shinohara Code 70 and Code 100 track. However, Walthers is working closely with Shinohara to improve future supplies of these excellent products and hope to have another shipment in stock soon. We are accepting back orders on all Walthers Code 83 HO scale track and Shinohara Code 70 and Code 100 track, and orders will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis. Thank you for your understanding and patience.   Perhaps Walthers can step in and find someone to continue production? Good Luck, Ed

The What's Neat This Week show on Youtube (I dont remember which one) reported that they (not just one) had retired.  Ken Patterson google translated a Japanese blog post that stated this.  Not shure what the address was of the blog post or which episode.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, May 28, 2018 8:16 PM

I'm a Ken Patterson fan, but my experience with Google Translate is hit or miss.  Did he really research this himself or is it something he read on another forum?

Shinohara isn't a rare name in Japan and no doubt someone is retiring with that name.  The rumor is in various MR forums, but if you have learned anything in the last year, the news isn't always what they say it is. 

If you are worried, buy now.   Prices never go down.  There is nothing I particularly need now and I am going to wait and see.

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, May 28, 2018 9:25 PM

BigDaddy
Shinohara isn't a rare name in Japan and no doubt someone is retiring with that name.  The rumor is in various MR forums, but if you have learned anything in the last year, the news isn't always what they say it is. 

The Walthers announcement came from their Facebook posting.

https://www.facebook.com/WalthersTrains/

Scroll down to May 15, 12:47 PM. I don't know if it is a rumor or not, either. I don't do Facebook and I only pass on verifiable information. Sure, it doesn't come right out and say "Shinohara is kaput" but I think they're trying to give a heads-up that availability may be difficult in the near future.

Cheers, Ed

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Posted by BMMECNYC on Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:18 PM

BigDaddy
Shinohara isn't a rare name in Japan and no doubt someone is retiring with that name.  The rumor is in various MR forums, but if you have learned anything in the last year, the news isn't always what they say it is. 

Watch for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtXGP6oWhI4

 

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Posted by dante on Wednesday, May 30, 2018 10:33 PM

gmpullman

 

 
VOLKER LANDWEHR
Ed, you are giving the information from the turnouts.

 

It shows the discrepancy in my bottom photo with the cardstock 22" radius laid over the center of the diverging route of the "28/24" .

Here is the post from Gerhard:

 

 
gerhard_k
About a year ago, there were several threads about the Walthers Code 83 curved turnouts. Several posters reported measuring the actual radius of the inner leg, and I kept these notes: #6.5 is 20" radius (per Walthers), 16.5" measured by Tom Bryant, and 18" measured by dante. #7 is 24" radius (per Walthers), 20.5" measured by Tom Bryant, and 22" measured by dante. #7.5 is 28" radius (per Walthers), 24" measured by Tom Bryant, and 26" measured by dante. #8 is 32" radius (per Walthers), 30" measured by Tom Bryant, and 30" measured by dante. Mike Lehman, otoh, claims that his measurements agree closely with Walthers. The outer radius is generally agreed to be as Walthers claims, 24", 28", 32", and 36". So, it looks like a #7 would be very close to what you are looking for. Just remember, once you start putting actual turnouts down on the layout, the geometry will always vary slightly from the theoretical. Good luck - Gerhard
 

 

 

Again, I had the photos on hand so I posted them with the thought someone could get some use out of them.

Thank You, Ed

 

I operate with many W/S curved turnouts, old and new. Trust me: the turnouts' outer radii are correct as stated; the diverging route radii are consistently 2" less than stated (6" less than the outer route). I checked them thoroughly, both graphically and using Ribbonrail gauges.

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Posted by rrinker on Thursday, May 31, 2018 7:39 AM

 ANd his photo shows that - the one labeled 28/24 but the inner curve matches a 22R template. Exactly as stated - Walthers calls it a 28/24 but in reality it's a 28/22. So everyone is actually on the same page here and agrees, the Walthers label is incorrect.

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