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Length of an Atlas Code 83 #8 Customline turnout? Edit - second question

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, September 09, 2017 5:53 AM

hon30critter

Last night I reworked one end of the yard to use #6 Atlas turnouts and it came out fine. The yard still has lots of space. However, I spent quite some time trying to use Atlas #6s in the ladder at the other end of the yard and I couldn't get it to work. I haven't given up. I'll just have to do the ladder differently.

Don't give up, Dave, there are plenty of good references and diagrams on yard ladder construction. I am sure that you will find an elegant way to construct the ladder, making efficient use of available space.

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, September 11, 2017 12:54 AM

After some more time on 3rd PlanIt I have an all Atlas Code 83 plan using #6s throughout plus 4 curved turnouts. Hopefully the Atlas curved turnouts will be available by the time we start laying track.

I also have an all Peco Code 83 plan using both #6s and #8s plus three curved turnouts.

I think I'm going to take a bit of a rest from 3rd PlanIt!

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Posted by maxman on Monday, September 11, 2017 7:33 AM

hon30critter
After some more time on 3rd PlanIt I have an all Atlas Code 83 plan using #6s throughout plus 4 curved turnouts.

Zat so?  What was it you said on page one?

Someone said: "What equipment are you planning to run that requires #8?  Yes, things may look better with an 8, but sometimes you gotta compromise."

And you said: "We made the commitment that any locomotive or rolling stock should be able to run without problems. We haven't a clue if a member will show up with a 4-8-8-4 or the longest 6 axle diesel with a string of 89' container cars................."

And you further said: "................(not trying to shut you down - just stating what appears to be a simple fact)."

Every Pennsy S2 6-8-6 derailment will now be on your head.Laugh

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, September 11, 2017 10:16 PM

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Zat so?  What was it you said on page one? Someone said: "What equipment are you planning to run that requires #8?  Yes, things may look better with an 8, but sometimes you gotta compromise." And you said: "We made the commitment that any locomotive or rolling stock should be able to run without problems. We haven't a clue if a member will show up with a 4-8-8-4 or the longest 6 axle diesel with a string of 89' container cars................." And you further said: "................(not trying to shut you down - just stating what appears to be a simple fact)." Every Pennsy S2 6-8-6 derailment will now be on your head.

Well, it should be no suprize that compromises have to be made when building a model railroad. We set out with lofty goals but the realities of the space that we have available have forced us to reduce our standards. The first one to go was the 36" minimum radius. Now we have to eliminate Atlas #8s because of their length. Not the end of the world.

I would point out that the Peco version of the plan does have #8s on the mainline. That is one of the reasons that we are leaning towards Peco. We don't have the quote yet for Atlas but we do know what the Pecos will cost. The price difference will have to be significant for Atlas to win.

I have the feeling that I am being mocked here. I guess that is my fault for openly discussing the whole design process. Given the history of the forums I should have realized that some people just can't resist.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, September 11, 2017 10:40 PM

hon30critter
I have the feeling that I am being mocked here

Well that's too bad.  I haven't commented on this thread, because I have nothing constructive to say, but like a lot of people, you never know what you might learn.

 

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Posted by maxman on Monday, September 11, 2017 10:50 PM

hon30critter
I have the feeling that I am being mocked here.

C'mon, now.  You know that's not the case at all.  If it was then I wouldn't have mentioned the PRR loco or put that little laughing guy at the end.

Now when you become president of the organization and start complaining about all the stuff that will go on (if you remember I mentioned that), then I hope you remember that I also said that I would say "I told you so".  Maybe that might be a little mocking mixed in with a lot of sympathy.

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:14 AM

maxman
Now when you become president of the organization and start complaining about all the stuff that will go on (if you remember I mentioned that), then I hope you remember that I also said that I would say "I told you so".

Actually, another member of the club and I will be putting out names forward as a team to become the President and Vice President in the near future. The elections will be held on October 10th. Neither of us cares who takes which title, but we do want to work as a team to improve the club in several ways. Neither one of us wants to take the task on alone.

We are fully aware of all of the stuff that may/will go on and we have both said that we will deal with the challenges together. Neither of us are the really patient kind, so we will have to work at biting our tongues.

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:24 AM

BigDaddy
I haven't commented on this thread, because I have nothing constructive to say, but like a lot of people, you never know what you might learn.

I have indeed learned a lot from this thread, and that knowledge has had a huge influence on the decisions that the layout design committee has made.

BigDaddy
Well that's too bad.

My apologies for not fully understanding maxman's sense of humour. I guess my skin is too thin. I'm a little sensitive to what I misinturpreted as criticism having gotten myself into the position of being responsible for the new layout's design. To put it in different words, I'm very concerned that my plan will will not have any major flaws and that it can be built as designed. That is stressing me a bit (actually a lot).

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:49 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAct7Ynxty8

 

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:56 AM

rrinker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAct7Ynxty8

LaughLaughLaughLaugh

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Posted by maxman on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:22 AM

Okay, if you're going to go there, there is also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cYgyqA_7BM

 

I guess I need to watch out for you "youts".

 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:22 AM

hon30critter
 

My apologies for not fully understanding maxman's sense of humour. I guess my skin is too thin.

Dave,

I have been playing this forum game since I was a freshman in college in 1977, and I have seen over and over, countless times, people who post stuff and expect the readers to some how magically "tune-in" to their brand of humor, and then wonder why readers get confused or bent.  Eventually emoticons were invented to help posters give hint to the readers that they intended their post to be taken a certain way.

The onus is on the poster to help make it obvious that they are making a joke or humor but yet it still happens every day that readers aren't getting the subtle joke that is being foisted.  *shrugs*

Some 40 years after I started reading computer forums, I still don't always "get" the humor in posts, although I'm better at than I was many years ago.  History continues to repeat it'self eh?

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