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Design a dbl-deck layout for installation in its own Hand-House shed

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Posted by GraniteRailroader on Sunday, September 03, 2017 10:37 PM

I'll spend some time drawing tomorrow and give you an idea on paper.

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Posted by railandsail on Monday, September 04, 2017 5:46 PM

East to West theme, and Diesel-Steam transistion era

 

 

I have a strong preference for steam engines, but have collected lots of diesels as well. So lets say I will model that transition era were both were utilized. I am also not a strict time frame person that feels a need to model any particular era. I just like the looks of model trains, particularly the highly detailed ones that have come out over the past 15 years.

 

I found myself liking those big C&O, B&O, NW steam locos, but also some of the Santa Fe ones. I just couldn't resist a number of those Santa Fe diesels with their marvelous paint schemes that harkened back to when I was a kid. So on my first major layout (the Atlas plan "Central Midland") I ran all of these different lines. I would explain that my railroad went from the east coast to the west coast,...Baltimore to California.

 

I'm imagining doing something similar with this new layout,....the lower deck level will be the 'Baltimore' theme, progressing up thru the mountains of Appalachian mountains (coal county) to the upper layer western mountains supporting logging trains, and finally to a Santa Fe train station on the upper level. Since I have recently decreased the size of that peninsula, I'm not so sure I'll be able to do those Appalachian mountains ( maybe I should put those in that new oval peninsula loop ??).

 

At the moment I don't anticipate that the upper deck will have any individual loops of track on it, but rather will have a perimeter track only. There will be a turnout at the upper level of the helix that will permit the train to go either way around that perimeter of the shed, and will allow the train to go back down the helix in a forward manner.

 

There are at least two scenes/structures I have planned for that upper level.
1) Santa Fe train station. I'm imaging this station (or condensed version) .... ....sitting on the upper deck over one of those two big blobs at the entrance to the shed. I want to surround it with a number of the Santa Fe engines I have (F7 sets, DL109 set, E6, and a steamer), and some SF passenger cars from Walthers.

 

I would like this scene over on the left side blob, so it is not directly over the Balt city scene.

 

I would also like to have a condensed container port on this upper level. I have a lot of containers and container cars that need to be 'justified' on my layout. I'm thinking the newer big style container cranes and their ship can be painted onto the background. Then the straddle type loader and the smaller container movers can be in the foreground working amongst the stacked containers, and loading railcars bound for the east coast

 

I figure there will need to be a fair depth to this scene to have the container cars being loaded, and of course some sort of thru line for the passenger train. My thoughts are this scene needs to be located over the deep decked turntable loop, and/or over that wide freight yard scene down below.

Those are the only ideas I have at the moment. I really need to be able to look thru that huge collection of materials I extracted from the magazines for years ( I literally cut up hundreds of mags, and filed them away). But all of that material is in my cargo trailer.

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Posted by railandsail on Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:38 AM

City Backdrop & Steel Scene

I was just going back thru some photos and postings I had made about my old Atlas #29  Central Midland layout and ran across this .....
 

City Scene Backdrop
This could be the most exciting scene of all. My plan was to make this a city scene of Baltimore, an industrial city, home of the nations first railroad, and home of the famous B&O. There would be two distinctive images I thought I would include; 1) the infamous ‘Bromo Selzer’ tower*, and 2) the Mt Royal train station**. The train station in particular, as I had no room on the layout for a model station. I imagine it could be painted onto the backdrop, and include a dbl track portion that would appear to join the actual mainlines over in the back corner of the layout.

There are lighting techniques, layering techniques with poster board materials, and thin single-sided plastic structures that could make this city scene come alive, even in its very ‘flat presentation’. I have some sample illustrations.

Coal was, and is very much a part of Baltimore’s history along with steel and railroads. I had thought it could be possible to paint a coal fired power plant or steel mill onto a portion of this city scene down on the lower left hand side near the roundhouse area. Maybe add a large pile of coal alone with a string of coal cars waiting to be unloaded. If the layout were spaced out a bit from this wall/backdrop, it might be possible to insert one or two ‘fake’ sidings with coal cars and/or B&O passenger cars in waiting.

Yes, still applicable for my new layout,...Balt cityscape in that right hand blob, and steel blast furnance in that left hand blob.

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Posted by railandsail on Tuesday, September 05, 2017 6:12 PM

Look what I found today as I was looking for steel mill related images. I just had to make a note of it here so I would remember to look at it again

http://baltimoreandohiomodelrailroad.com/steel_mill.html

I know this sounds and looks awfully ambitious to include a steel scene on my relatively small layout, but I'm thinking the only actual structure I would include would be the blast furnace itself. The rest would exist on the painted backdrop, somewhat like this photo from that site...

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Posted by GraniteRailroader on Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:04 PM

I haven't had time to sit down and draft out any ideas - work and family have taken priority, especially with having already put in twenty two hours since Monday at 0500.

Seeing your latest druthers makes me wonder - do you have a written down list that you've compiled of what you truely would like to see? You're ideas and locales are all over the US, and if you make those druthers into the givens (IE: What you will NOT change, what you CAN'T change, and what isn't possible to change) you're going to end up with multiple large scenes and structures literally on top of each other, with no room for transitions.

It's your model railroad, so if you want to see a container port/facility next to a stucco three story station in the Alleghany mountains of Pennsylvania while the City of Baltimore shines it's lights on you through the smog of a blast furnace, than have at it. If it were me - I'd narrow my focus down to specific things that interest me more than the others. Passengers, Coal, Blast Furnace, Baltimore, sounds like you could proto-lance Baltimore to Western Pennsylvania, maybe a fictional branch of the PRR? Adding in the South West, and being able to fit vastly different locales and geography is going to end up as a hodge podge of scenes that don't flow together.

I'd reconsider the idea of a No-Lix, around-the-wall type layout. With a bench depth of 28"-30", excluding the "blobs" in the corners by the door, you could easily transition from scenes that were vertically seperated 6-8"  at various points around the layout. If you narrowed the depth of the scene, concealing at least one of the "layers" behind a backdrop or beneith the other, a peninsula --MIGHT-- be doable... 11 foot wide space, with a portion that is on 12" deep shelves leaves you 9 feet open in the middle. Subtract two 30" aisles, and you're left with four feet. Kind of tight if you wanted to have it make a 180* curve in the middle, but perhaps it's a solution to add in your blast furnace scene, with a vertical backdrop that conceals a container port on the other side.

There are plenty of options out there, but you need to really re-evaluate what your priorites and what your major wishes for this to be are.

For what it's worth, I'd go back through Cuyama's posts and really attempt to understand his feedback to the folks who are posting plans and asking for advice. His design feedback is spot on, and if money were no object I'd be asking for him to help me implement a new design.

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Posted by railandsail on Wednesday, September 06, 2017 8:37 AM

GraniteRailroader

Seeing your latest druthers makes me wonder - do you have a written down list that you've compiled of what you truely would like to see? You're ideas and locales are all over the US, and if you make those druthers into the givens (IE: What you will NOT change, what you CAN'T change, and what isn't possible to change) you're going to end up with multiple large scenes and structures literally on top of each other, with no room for transitions.

Lets see if I can answer your concerns/suggestions in as brief a manner as I can. Perhaps it is best that you understand that some of these 'ideas' for scenes/structures I am coming up with, are a result of what I might call 'brain-storming'. I am thinking 'out loud' on this forum about POSSIBILTIES.

I have over the years collected up so many different structures, both built and still as kits, that I am trying to figure out just what I am going to be able to include, and what not. There is another recent discussion on this forum,...
http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/t/264878.aspx?page=1

that concerns itself with this  same dilemma about number of structures verses spacing between them.

I am one of those folks who likes to have lots of structures/scenes that the trains can run thru. I believe you might discern this if you look thru my planning on my original layout, the Central Midland by John Armstrong. I bought this layout with a track plan already determined, so it was just my job to see where I might add on 'what structures', 'what scenes'. I added a LOT of items as I collected them, Some would say too much, but I was rather happy with what I was coming up with. Of couse it was a bit easier as I was working with the track plan already in place, so it was just a matter as to how I might add to it. this new planning is a bit more difficult as I don't have things sitting there right in front of me, and I am trying to creat a track plan along with a structure/scene plan.
If you want to see that Atlas plan #29 I was building, and a good number of photos I am recreating it over on this forum discussion as it got 'photo edited' by some software change made on that forum.

the Central Midland by John Armstrong for Atlas track plans



GraniteRailroader
It's your model railroad, so if you want to see a container port/facility next to a stucco three story station in the Alleghany mountains of Pennsylvania while the City of Baltimore shines it's lights on you through the smog of a blast furnace, than have at it. If it were me - I'd narrow my focus down to specific things that interest me more than the others. Passengers, Coal, Blast Furnace, Baltimore, sounds like you could proto-lance Baltimore to Western Pennsylvania, maybe a fictional branch of the PRR? Adding in the South West, and being able to fit vastly different locales and geography is going to end up as a hodge podge of scenes that don't flow together.

I'm going to see if I can blend it together, but yes I may have some industries etc together in close proximity. I am trying to keep the west coast specific scenes on the upper deck, and the east coast on the lower deck. The middle of the country can have any number of different industries.

GraniteRailroader
I'd reconsider the idea of a No-Lix, around-the-wall type layout. With a bench depth of 28"-30", excluding the "blobs" in the corners by the door, you could easily transition from scenes that were vertically seperated 6-8"  at various points around the layout. If you narrowed the depth of the scene, concealing at least one of the "layers" behind a backdrop or beneith the other, a peninsula --MIGHT-- be doable... 11 foot wide space, with a portion that is on 12" deep shelves leaves you 9 feet open in the middle. Subtract two 30" aisles, and you're left with four feet. Kind of tight if you wanted to have it make a 180* curve in the middle, but perhaps it's a solution to add in your blast furnace scene, with a vertical backdrop that conceals a container port on the other side.

Since I can fit my helix on the outside of the shed, I am definitely NOT inclined to consider a 'no-lix'

 

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Posted by railandsail on Wednesday, September 06, 2017 8:48 AM

BTW that one site I referenced above has some really nice photos by 'doctorwayne'
http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/t/264878.aspx?page=1

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Posted by railandsail on Monday, September 11, 2017 8:54 AM

DCC Electrical Wiring tip

I just ran across this portion of a posting by Randy that I need to remember when I go to wiring my new layout.

rrinker
....excerpt

It did all work the first show after this - other than no provision being made for the common wire between the command station, boosters, and circuit breakers. No one believed me that this was required, but all issues disappeared when they finally decided to "humor" me and ran a wire temporarily. After that show and before next one, an additional line got added to each section's wiring harness to carry the common wire. Again done without ever stting the whole thing up - there's just no way to do it in the available space.

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Posted by railandsail on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:45 PM

Turntable Loop & City Backgrd

Just did this quick little sketch, Haven't worked out details of the freight yard yet.

 I suspect I will have only the front face of a roundhouse with perhaps a dwg of the remainder of it on the backdrop. Just don't have room for whole structure.. Perhaps some photos or cut off ends of tenders in the doorways of that roundhouse.

What I really want in that scene is some display tracks for some of my steam collection, some caboose(s), and steam services like this.....

 

 

And a thin city scene backdrop something like a cross between these two photos....

 

 

 

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Posted by railandsail on Friday, September 15, 2017 2:23 PM

Lots of Good Reference Material

Just visited your web site Alan.
http://www.lkorailroad.com/

Some VERY good sources of info on building a layout. For instance this bit on different density foams...

http://www.lkorailroad.com/foam-education/

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