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Making Real Lumber for an HO-Scale Scratchbuilt Culvert

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Friday, April 21, 2017 4:26 AM
Thank you.
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Posted by mlehman on Friday, April 21, 2017 2:37 AM

Nice work on the culvert!Yes

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Posted by zstripe on Friday, April 21, 2017 1:38 AM

UNCLEBUTCH

How do you hold that small of a ''log'' thru the saw to get uniform boards and walk away with all your fingers? 

 Have you got a jig or something like a carrage to hold them ?

I have cut scale lumber on my band saw,but off a good size pieace, when I nolonger feel comfortable, I'll toss that one and grab a nother big one.

 

A rule of thumb that I actually follow religiously.....Is to rip 36'' sizes on the 10'' table saw and on the 4'' rip saw with fence....I only go to 28'' in length..keeping 8'' well away from the blade. The 2'' table saw is basically the same. All the 8'' pieces I use for other projects. Not unusual for Me to make a jig....just for cutting a couple sizes. I have been doing it for a long time though. Started in 1952 when I was ten yr.s old. In Chicago they had a Chicago Boys Club, that You can go to after school for a quarter a week. They had a great wood shop with professional teachers for you to learn all about wood working machines, Table saws, band saws, jig saws, scroll saws and even wood lathes. All you really needed was Parents permission, 10 yr. age minimun and willing to learn. Did a lot of work with plastic's, back then also.......was even an Eagle Scout.

Old school.....I see You have the Photo inserting down pat....Good for You! Also some interesting work You are doing.......Also So I don't forget again....Welcome To The Forums.......

Take Care! Big Smile

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:31 PM

Just a note on future posts on the progress of my scratchbuilt freelance HO layout, it is called Cheverie Mountain Railroad (CMRX) featuring Nova Scotia mining and industry from the past, present and into the near future. Two railroad companies are involved: Canadian National and the fictitious Cheverie Mountain Railroad. The real Cheverie Mountain in Nova Scotia is the centrepiece of my layout. I make regular field trips into my real layout area bordering the coastline of Minas Basin in the Bay of Fundy to take pictures, videos, and collect real building materials. Ok that's it for this thread. Thank you all for your great comments!

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:08 PM
Thank you. I gave the literature reference for this culvert where it is discussed in detail. I use my library of railroad modelling magazines from the 1950s to the present quite extensively. I admire the skills of the modellers 60 years ago when I was only 3 years old. I am working on achieving some of their skills.
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Posted by mbinsewi on Thursday, April 20, 2017 9:45 PM

OK, well your culvert looks good.  I think of a culvert as a round steel, or square /rectangle concrete structure, and not timbers placed across a small creek.

I admire your total scratch building efferts.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:05 PM

I made a makeshift jig for that first project but now I am designing a finely calibrated custom jig for this Dremel Moto Saw.

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Posted by UNCLEBUTCH on Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:57 PM

How do you hold that small of a ''log'' thru the saw to get uniform boards and walk away with all your fingers? 

 Have you got a jig or something like a carrage to hold them ?

I have cut scale lumber on my band saw,but off a good size pieace, when I nolonger feel comfortable, I'll toss that one and grab a nother big one.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:25 PM

Installation 99% complete. There are many natural Nova Scotia materials in this picture including red sandstone from Cape Blomidon (ground cover and tidal brook mud banks), shale from Walton (track ballast/bed, steel-reinforced blocks, culvert buttresses), grey clay from Cheverie, gypsum from Windsor (building foundations, road barricades), rusty steel from scrapbooked model railroad magazine staples (reinforced blocks, barricade hooks, old wharf spikes), scrap metal from local highway and road shoulders, railyard in Amherst, and rusty gypsum hopper cars in Hantsport, driftwood from West Jeddore (culvert and old wharf remenants), and real rust dust from the scrap metal (on the sides of the old gear on the bank of the brook). Finally, note that the track has not yet been set in place - needs to be lowered to the top surface of the culvert.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:24 PM

Ready to install in the layout near Rusty Steele & Sons, Ltd. metal scrapyard (I freelance).

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:22 PM

Built and painted the culvert [inspired by "A small culvert," Bill Schaumburg and Wayne Wesolowski, Railroad Model Craftsman, Vol. 45(3), August 1976, pp. 56-57.]

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:17 PM

Cut boards next.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:16 PM

Slice off the outside surface.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:14 PM

Cut the logs.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:13 PM

Then I cut off ends.

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Posted by zstripe on Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:52 PM

OldSchoolScratchbuilder

I can post immediately now! Not sure how to post photos yet but I have several showing what I do. @zstripe how did you post your photos?

 

Check out the sticky thread about posting photos in General Discussion. I use Photobucket, but I do it differently than the sticky thread. I Do Not use the link in the post line. All I do is go to photobucket, click on the IMG. I want to copy, it will turn yellow saying copied, go to My post...press ''Enter'' click on Ctrl V the URL will show up and I press ''Enter'' again. When I click on ''Submit Your Reply'' the IMG will show. I;m running Windows 10 with Chrome for a browser.....works everytime.

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Posted by zstripe on Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:39 PM

What ever works for You My friend. Driftwood would probably make pretty good, ''fenders'' and bridge abutment/pier bumpers for My river bridge scene I'm working on now. Would not have to weather it and would have all the natural splits etc. Unfortunately....here in the Midwest, driftwood is about non-existant. LOL

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:34 PM

First I collect suitably shaped driftwood from our Bay of Fundy and/or Atlantic Ocean beaches.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:30 PM

I can post immediately now! Not sure how to post photos yet but I have several showing what I do. @zstripe how did you post your photos?

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:28 PM
Almost all the materials in my planned layout are native to Nova Scotia. There is an infinite amount of driftwood on our Bay of Fundy and Atlantic Ocean beaches and it's free. It cuts easily into boards with a Dremel Moto Saw.
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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:24 PM

Beautiful! Wish I didn't have to wait 24 hrs for a moderator to approve this message, otherwise I'd have a great discussion with you. Oh it worked!!!!

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Posted by zstripe on Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:21 PM

I have been making My own scale lumber for yrs. I used to build wood ships, from scratch. Mahogany, Pine, Poplar, Birch....never tried driftwood though. I have the tools to do it though,,,starting off with  10inch table saw, 4''inch table saw and a Proxxon 2'' precision table saw. I usually do not go below 1/8'' of an inch though. It's amazing how much scale lumber you can get out of a 1x6 x3ft board.

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Posted by dknelson on Thursday, April 20, 2017 4:19 PM

It should be possible, and I would think fun, to use, say, the Micro Mark (or similarly small) "microLux" miniature table saws, and perhaps also their mini disc sander, to more or less replicate how logs are turned into usable dimensioned lumber.  But to do it right, and more importantly, to do it safely, would involve a considerable investment in such precision small tools.  The MicroMark folks would love you for it however!  I'd personally wait until I got one of their free shipping offers ...

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Thursday, April 20, 2017 4:08 PM

This might be "over kill" but be mindful that you are introducing corrosive salt into your layout to whatever minimal degree (wiring, suitcase connectors, switch points) who knows? You can laugh,folks, but as an old salt water boater of many years, nothing with salt on it enters my train room if I can help it. Just sayin'....especially if handling items down the road, you never know. Perhaps another local wood source/branches would be safer...who knows? Around here woodstoves that burn driftwood often corrode through in less than a year, even thick airtight styles. 

If you do use the driftwood, maybe soak it in fresh water and re-dry IF you feel the paranoia like I doWhistling

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Posted by bluestar on Thursday, April 20, 2017 3:42 PM

Check the found wood, rocks and all for tiny critters. Have you tried microwaveing the wood? Anything living inside will die and smell bad. I once tried cutting driftwood for stove heat, the logs were full of sand. With a dull and wrecked chain saw blade I gave up. 

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Posted by DSchmitt on Thursday, April 20, 2017 4:57 AM

7j43k

Friends,

A hollowed out piece of driftwood does not make a culvert.

I am very respectful of anyone who chooses to make their own lumber.  In HO.  I see no magic there, but I do see the potential for owies.  As does Mr. Lehman.

But isn't it neat to actually cut your own lumber?  From appropriate "driftwood".  So cool!  Keep us informed, please.

 

Ed

 

 

Actually a hollowed out log could be used as a culvert.  Seattle and many other cities used hollowed out logs as water pipes and sewer pipes.  Seattle's underground tour has a display of hollowed log pipe from the cities original 1854 water system. .

London England had bored Elm water pipes as early as the 13th century.

http://www.sewerhistory.org/photosgraphics/pipes-wood/

 

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Posted by DSchmitt on Thursday, April 20, 2017 3:10 AM

What are you planning to use to cut the "logs" into lumber?

Years ago I knew a guy who made scale lumber and scribed siding for the hobby market.  He had an small top quality table saw modified for that purpose.  However he used rectilinear pieces of wood and  wood sheets, not logs. 

I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:36 PM

Friends,

A hollowed out piece of driftwood does not make a culvert.

I am very respectful of anyone who chooses to make their own lumber.  In HO.  I see no magic there, but I do see the potential for owies.  As does Mr. Lehman.

But isn't it neat to actually cut your own lumber?  From appropriate "driftwood".  So cool!  Keep us informed, please.

 

Ed

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:52 PM

For some reason (maybe because I am new) my additional posts to try to add the images are not displaying. They may have to be approved by admin so I'll not make more posts until the morning and see what shows up. To answer this question, yes I am making my own lumber and have already used it to make a railway culvert over a stream. I have a series of photos on Photobucket showing the process from beach driftwood to layout culvert.

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