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crawl space
Posted by UNCLEBUTCH on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:37 AM

I just watched a video, the man stated that''part'' of his layout was in a crawl space. Now I'm thinking thats about 3ft of height, so all work is done on your hands and knees. I know you use what you got and make do with it.

Have any of you ,used a crawl space? How does/did it work out ?

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Posted by HO-Velo on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 12:04 PM
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Posted by UNCLEBUTCH on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 12:21 PM

HO-Velo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGY5BvmgkXA

  I watched the video   WOW, I don't think my body would allow me to do that, and he appears to be older then me

Thanks for the link

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Posted by HO-Velo on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 1:02 PM

My pleasure.  "Where there's a will there's a way."  And here I was last night feeling sorry for myself because I had to spend 15 min. or so under the layout adjusting a swtich machine.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 2:06 PM

I am 6´5" tall, over 60 years old and my weight is, well, let´s say 15% less and my doc would be happy!

No way I am going for a layout for which I have to get on my hands and knees to build or to operate it!

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 2:33 PM

Looking at the video, I think he would have been ahead if:

 

...he had a bigger access hatch.  He could have cut one of the joists, put in headers, and had a hole about 3 feet square.  Which would have saved him a good bit of time over the years.  And people of a larger persuasion could visit, too.

 

...he had sheetrocked the ceiling to keep stuff from falling down onto the layout.  I do wonder if the reason his trains are never running slowly is that the track is too dirty.

 

...and, best of all, dig all those pathways down about 3 feet.  The layout itself doesn't need the height, but I sure do.  I am assuming, of course, that the pathways are not part of the foundation.  I do not see why someone would pour a full slab down only four feet.  Maybe to save excavation costs.  But if it was a dirt floored crawl and he added the surface later, he shoulda dug down first.

 

He did seem to say it just kinda grew.  So these things may not have been so obvious "back in the day".  But it sure is, to me, a reminder to do as much planning as possible BEFORE laying track.

 

A neighbor of mine had about 70% of his layout out into a crawlspace from a small finished room.  He was happy with it.  I wouldn't have been.  Oh, yeah.  ALL of the trackage was suspended from the floor joist above.  I think he used threaded rod, which allows vertical adjustment.  And also is less intrusive, visually, when you're looking across tracks.  Also, NONE of that trackage was ever going to be scenicked.  It was just there to feed the 30% that showed plus to get some running room and storage trackage.  He was a civil engineer, so everything was about as tight and square as could be.

 

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Posted by Lone Wolf and Santa Fe on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 2:41 PM

I would get claustrophobic in there.
He built  a very nice layout. Thumbs up to him. Where there’s will there’s a way. No excuses.  Smile

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:20 PM

 That's an amazing layout. I'm much younger than he appears to be, no way would I be able to crawl around on my knees to climb over stuff, unless that's a very thick pad he has on the floor. I love how since it's all so low, the scenery just runs right down to the floor. There do appear to be areas with a higher clearance, in one shot you see a couple of chairs and a desk which is probably his workbench.

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Posted by UNCLEBUTCH on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:02 PM

I also noticed the desk and chairs so it can't be as bad as I first tought. But still you must be on your knees or bent over to do anything.

And lokking at the trap door,how did he get building materials down there ?

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:10 PM

UNCLEBUTCH

I also noticed the desk and chairs so it can't be as bad as I first tought. But still you must be on your knees or bent over to do anything.

 

When I saw the chairs, I assumed they just didn't have legs.  Then when you're sitting on them, the overall assembly is only 3 feet high (just measured).  Also, maybe he put wheels on the bottom to scoot around.

 

And lokking at the trap door,how did he get building materials down there ?

 

Yeah.  Sort of reminds me of the machinations in POW camps in WWII:  "Yeah.  Right mate. Nigel's built a layout under the barracks, and the Germans haven't yet caught on.  AND he's even got sound.  Turned way down, of course."

 

Ed 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:31 PM

Crawl space or not, that's a very nice looking layout!

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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:43 PM

doctorwayne
that's a very nice looking layout!

Yes, I agree, but watching it made my knees hurt!Smile, Wink & GrinLaughLaugh

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Posted by mbinsewi on Thursday, March 30, 2017 7:19 AM

Oh man, I can feel the pain now. Laugh Too many years crawling around finishing concrete.  It's a challange for me, some days, just crawling around on my driveway while working on garden tractors, and I use plenty of knee padding.

Ed's idea about digging the center area out makes since.  I did that decades ago for a friend that just wanted more accessible space.  Just as long as there is not a water table issue.

Excellent looking layout!

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Posted by Medina1128 on Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:17 AM

It's a beautiful layout, but just way too cramped for me (6'1" and 233#). Luckily, I have a LOT more room in my basement.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:30 AM

I just watched the video again and, while I find his layout to be a charming one, really oozing British character, I´d hate to be trapped down there in case a hot soldering gun or a short starts a fire. I´ll spread even before the bloke reaches the escape hatch!

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:38 AM

I'm just not a fan of tight spaces. I wouldn't be comfortable down there even if I could fit. Besides, I'd never fit through the hatch to begin with. Obviously the owner enjoys it since the restricted space certainly hasn't held him back!

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, March 31, 2017 2:40 PM

7j43k

 Yeah.  Sort of reminds me of the machinations in POW camps in WWII:  "Yeah.  Right mate. Nigel's built a layout under the barracks, and the Germans haven't yet caught on.  AND he's even got sound.  Turned way down, of course."

 

Ed 

 

 

 Lost episode of Hogan's Heroes? Newkirk adn Hogan argue over building an American or British protptype layout. Eventually they settle for a German prototype and Carter blows it up.

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Posted by hardcoalcase on Friday, March 31, 2017 4:36 PM

Wow!   Ya gotta admire his modeling... and determination!!BowBow

It sorta reminds me of my first layout from my early teens, built in an uninsulated, low ceiling attic, accessed by fold-down stairs.  I could see my breath in winter, and one summer, the plastic telephone poles softened enough to lean over.  Frequently bumping my head on those rafters just might explain a lot about me!Confused

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Posted by Mike Kieran on Sunday, April 9, 2017 4:31 AM

7j43k

 

 
UNCLEBUTCH

I also noticed the desk and chairs so it can't be as bad as I first tought. But still you must be on your knees or bent over to do anything.

 

 

 

When I saw the chairs, I assumed they just didn't have legs.  Then when you're sitting on them, the overall assembly is only 3 feet high (just measured).  Also, maybe he put wheels on the bottom to scoot around.

 

 

 

And lokking at the trap door,how did he get building materials down there ?

 

 

 

Yeah.  Sort of reminds me of the machinations in POW camps in WWII:  "Yeah.  Right mate. Nigel's built a layout under the barracks, and the Germans haven't yet caught on.  AND he's even got sound.  Turned way down, of course."

 

Ed 

 

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Posted by wdw3082 on Sunday, April 9, 2017 6:38 AM

I tried to watch this video and it was not available. I tried twice and stil didn't work.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:01 AM

I just clicked on it to see if it was still working, and had no problems.  Don't know why you can't view it.

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Posted by DSchmitt on Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:52 AM

wdw3082

I tried to watch this video and it was not available. I tried twice and stil didn't work.

 

Just tried. Worked for me too. 

I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.

I don't have a leg to stand on.

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Posted by Mike Kieran on Sunday, April 9, 2017 4:44 PM
Are you guys watching on an Apple/IOS product? They often have issues with Adobe/Shockwave Plugins due to licensing issues.

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Posted by 7j43k on Sunday, April 9, 2017 5:18 PM

It works on my Mac.

 

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, April 9, 2017 5:51 PM

Mike Kieran
Are you guys watching on an Apple/IOS product? They often have issues with Adobe/Shockwave Plugins due to licensing issues.
 

 It's YouTube, it should be HTML5. Anyway works for me in Windows or on my iPad.

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