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Posted by superbe on Monday, December 18, 2017 3:52 PM

Santa Fe all the way!

Kinda getting worried, no update in quite a while. 

Watching the layout being built I couldn't help thinking about the painting and ballasting all of that track. The thought of it is overwhelming. The rubber has hit the road as they say, but I hope I'm wrong.

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Posted by Onewolf on Saturday, February 10, 2018 8:13 AM


It's been a long time since I updated the layout build thread so here goes....

Starting in late August I took about 3 months off from active construction on the layout because of a number of distractions:  Hurricane Irma was a minor distraction, I spent about a month working on a new 90 gallon freshwater aquarium setup (and aux 40 gal Discus 'grow' tank), and then I had a significant distraction at work.  The company I worked for for the last 26.5 years implemented a new 'site strategy' as of Nov 1 that resulted in our 140 person local development/engineering team being shut down.  I had an opportunity to relocate to the new San Fransisco office (no way!) but I decided to take my 'package' instead. I was provided a generous severance package which included about 15 months salary in a lump sum and 15 months of benefits (health insurance, etc) paid for. Since my wife is working and her salary covers our 'nut' I plan to take 3-4 months off and work on a long 'to-do' list around the house and to make as much progress on the  layout as possible.

I got back to working on the layout in early December.

I installed the occupancy detection boards and status display circuits for the helix.



The back side of the helix status/control panel:



Here's a (high speed) video of the helix occupancy display as a train traverses the helix:

 

I fixed an issue with the double gapped track where the track passes through the backdrop on it's way into the 4 track staging yard in the model workshop room.





I layed carpet tiles under the helix



I installed plywood subroadbed for the classification yard two lead/drill tracks.



I installed (removable) 1/8" masonite panels over the two wndow openings and painted the blue backdrop along this wall (finally!)





I installed a status panel for three PSX circuit breakers for booster #1.



I installed Tortoise motors and NCE Switch-It mk II boards with toggle switches to control the three turnouts for the four staging tracks in the model workshop.



I moved the Digitrax UR-92 radio receiver up next to the upper level return loop control/status panel (in the center of the room).



I decided I wanted a ice house/platform facility on a yard siding to provide ice for the reefer fleet. I wanted enough ice platform length to service 6 reefers and enough spur track length to handle 12 at a time. This required adding additional plywood roadbed adjacent to the two yard lead tracks.





Yard leads (with loco run-around) and reefer ice service track are done.



I finally got my order of 46 Peco turnouts required for the yard and loco service terminal (Along with 125 sections of Atlas code 83 flex track).



You can see the printed copy of the yard throat area I needed for reference purposes.



Starting to work on the yard throat. It's fairly complicated because of the two arrival/departure tracks and two yard leads having the ability to simultaneously work two different sets of classification tracks without interfering with the other yard lead.



There are two caboose tracks, the track that allows yard lead track #2 to access the second set of classification tracks, and the main classification yard ladder track that connect the yard lead tracks to the thoroughfare track.



Gluing down arrival/departure track #1 and dry placed arrival/departure track #2.



My technique for connecting track feeders. I bend the tip (~1/16") of the 22 ga solid wire and flatten it.



I place the flattened tip on the base of the rail.



After soldering. After the track is painted and ballasted the track feeder will be virtually invisible.  There are over 100 pairs of track feeders for the main yard/loco service terminal.



I have added a DCC Specialties "PowerPax" for the DCC programming track and a RRampMeter to show real-time DCC voltage and current to booster station #1.



Booster station #2 also has a RRampMeter and a 5V power supply for the two RR-Cirkits BOD-8 occupancy detection boards used in the lower return loop and staging tracks.



Booster station #3 has a 5V power supply for the five RR-Cirkits BOD-8 occupancy detection boards used by the helix and upper return loop/staging tracks. It needs a RRampMeter.



Booster station #4 provides power for the main classification yard and locomotive service terminal. It needs a RRampMeter.



Over the last month I have systematically gone through all of my "era appropriate" locomotives to verify functionality, install DCC decoders as needed, configure long DCC addresses, lubricated as needed, test run, and added to JMRI DecoderPro 'Roster'. I have about 42 'era' plausible locomotives (as well as about 25 non era appropriate diesel locomotives (post 1959). In my freelance world the Utah Railway will be running a couple 2-6-6-4 NW Class As and 4-6-4 Hudsons in addition to their 2-8-8-2 steamers.



I have started researching methods for weathering the track. The layout has about 1200 ft of visible track and 86 visible turnouts. Most of the 'how to' videos show people using masking tape to cover the points and pivot points on turnouts to prevent them from getting sprayed in order to avoid electrical conductivity issues. After the spray paint dries they come back and manually touchup the masked areas with a paint brush. With 86 turnouts that would be tedious and I concluded that if I had a very precise mask object I could avoid the manual brush phase. So I created a couple mask objects using TinkerCad.com and my 3D printer.



I created a mask for the pivot points as well.

I modified the points mask to taper the areas that sit between the stock bars and the inside of the rails.



They seem to work great. The points mask works for both the Peco #6 and #8 turnouts, but the pivot mask geometry is different between the #6 and #8 turnouts.



After removing the masks.



I noticed all three of my Athearn RTR Gas Turbine Veranda locomotives bounced severely when crossing the #8 double slip switch and they caused frequent shorts on the frogs of the Peco insulfrog turnouts. I measured the width of the wheelsets and found all 14 axles on the locomotives/tenders were out of spec/narrow on all three locomotives/tenders. Internet research showed I wasn't the only person who noticed that problem. So I purchased an NSWL 'the puller' and adjusted the wheelsets/axles so they are within NMRA specification and now the locomotives/tenders run MUCH better.



Video of the Athearn Gas Turbine loco/tender bouncing across the #8 double slip switch:


Video of the Athearn Gas Turbine loco/tender crossing the #8 double slip switch after fixing the wheelsets so they are in spec.



Working on gluing down the 8 classification tracks in the main yard. The eight tracks vary from 174" to 218" inches long and they can hold up to 250 40ft cars or 205 50ft cars.









The yards 'car shop' facility in the foreground.



All the 'missing' ties have been placed.





Doing some testing on weathering/painting track.



It's time to start making decisions on ballast color. Here's some of the samples I got from Arizona Rock & Mineral company. I have about 1200 feet of visible track that will need to be weathered and ballasted.  Oy.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Saturday, February 10, 2018 8:19 AM

You seem to have all the various aspects down cold and it's coming together nicely.  Very impressive.

I see you have Peco code 83 turnouts.  They do seem to be pretty nice - I'm looking at MicroEngineerin #6 for my next layout.  What brankd of flex track are you using?

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Posted by Onewolf on Saturday, February 10, 2018 8:28 AM

riogrande5761

You seem to have all the various aspects down cold and it's coming together nicely.  Very impressive.

Are you using code 83 Peco turnouts?  Flex is which brand?

 

The vast majority of turnouts are Peco Insulfrog: Code 100 Large in hidden areas and code 83 (#6 and #8) in visible areas.

The only non Peco turnouts are two Walthers code 83 #8 curved turnouts, one Walthers #8 double slip switch, and five Micro Engineering code 70 #6 turnouts.

The visible flex track is almost entirely Atlas code 83 and there is about 75 feet of Micro-engineering code 70.

The hidden flex track is a mix of Atlas code 100 and Peco code 100 (leftover from previous layout).

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Posted by ROBERT PETRICK on Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:22 AM

Hey One Wolf,

Thanks for the update. Glad to see you're back. I can understand why it's been a while. It must have taken that long to compose and post that post. All those photos and a cohesive narrative to boot! How did you get all that stuff into the small little tiny editing window provided by this forum? Most impressive. Bow

Anyhow, great work on the layout. Great update. I'm gonna take a little while to read it over and study the photos. Saturday morning, coffee on the veranda, but no newspaper today, tablet instead.

Robert

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Posted by RWSlater on Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:42 AM

This is one impressive layout you are building onewolf. I have been following along for a while now. 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:44 AM

I haven't used the Peco or ME code 83 so far, only Atlas code 83, along with Walthers/Shinohara for specialy like curved, 3-way and double slip.  How do they compare in your experience?  The ME are a bit more economical so significant cost savings over a large order.

I'm thinking of using Peco code 100 large in staging.

I haven't decided insulfrog vs. electofrog, although he who should not be named over at MRH recomments electrofrog for less chance of electrical pickup issues and they wear longer.

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Posted by Onewolf on Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:10 PM

The Peco code 83 (and 100) turnouts are MUCH more robust than the Micro Engineering code 70 turnouts.  The Micro Engineering turnouts look better. While both the Peco have a positive throw spring machanism, the Peco is much more secure.  Every one of the Pecos function flawlessly when installed. Every one of my Micro Engineering code 70 #6 turnouts required 'tuning' to get them to function properly.

The only problem I have had with some of the Pecos (both code 100 and 83) is that some out of spec locos/rolling stock will cause them to short across the frog.

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Posted by Onewolf on Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:12 PM

ROBERT PETRICK

Hey One Wolf,

Thanks for the update. Glad to see you're back. I can understand why it's been a while. It must have taken that long to compose and post that post. All those photos and a cohesive narrative to boot! How did you get all that stuff into the small little tiny editing window provided by this forum? Most impressive. Bow

I compose my status update posts using Notepad and copy/paste into the forum 'reply' window.  :)

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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Monday, February 12, 2018 1:09 AM

Thanks so very much for the update! Ive been following from the beginning and have thoroughly enjoyed it. 

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Posted by wickman on Monday, February 12, 2018 7:53 AM

What a fantastic update. 

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Posted by Onewolf on Monday, February 19, 2018 9:53 AM

Status update....

I am redoing/replacing the double track mainline that circles behind the (future) turntable/roundhouse area. There were issues with the levelness of the Homasote subroadbed and the double gapped curved track was casuing problems so I decided for a complete redo of that area. The new trackwork is much better/smoother/reliable.  Redoing existing trackwork is somewhat annoying but the end results are worth it.  I learned quite a bit as I went along and my trackwork improved considerably relative to the first parts of track I installed.





Still trying to figure out a formula/process for weathering the track.  I have about 1200 ft of visible track to weather so I want to figure out a reasonably efficient/repeatable process that doesn't involve me dying in a cloud of spray paint fumes.



The current test process I'm trying is to spray with the original (too reddish) brown from a low angle on the side (rust on sides of track)....



And then come back with Rustoleum Camo Ultra Flat 'Earth Brown' from directly above to color the ties dark brown.

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Posted by rrebell on Monday, February 19, 2018 10:06 AM

I started out doing more than neccisary too by painting the ties and coming in and accually brushing the rust on the rails. What I found is that after all was said and done with ballast and scenery, you could not find the more detailed work unless you knew where to look. What I did find inhanced is areas that I took a short cut by not protecting the track from stuff like plaster drips (these were really plaster colored water or were removed right away). So to do this more refinded, adding different colors here and there dose add realism. I suspect that if you paint a few ties white here and there and maybe an off white and then spray your brown, that might work for you, would try it myself and report back but between layouts right now and no place to do hobby work.

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Posted by Onewolf on Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:31 PM

rrebell

I started out doing more than neccisary too by painting the ties and coming in and accually brushing the rust on the rails. What I found is that after all was said and done with ballast and scenery, you could not find the more detailed work unless you knew where to look. What I did find inhanced is areas that I took a short cut by not protecting the track from stuff like plaster drips (these were really plaster colored water or were removed right away). So to do this more refinded, adding different colors here and there dose add realism. I suspect that if you paint a few ties white here and there and maybe an off white and then spray your brown, that might work for you, would try it myself and report back but between layouts right now and no place to do hobby work.

 

Thanks for the reply.  I have concluded that initially weathering the track/ties with 'just' the Dark Earth brown will be sufficient and more easily reproduceable.  For some of the secondary/spur tracks I will probably add some rail 'rust' later on using a brush/pen.  I will also add some schmoodging variation to the mainline/branchlines using wet/dry brush.

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Posted by Onewolf on Tuesday, March 20, 2018 3:19 PM

I finished weathering/spraying/cleaning all 1200 ft of visible track and then I installed the Walthers 130 ft (scale) turntable in the locomotive service terminal.  
After I got the turntable installed/working I started working on the 12 stall roundhouse (base 3 stall kit + 3 three stall addition kits). 

Now I'm working on installing the 17 service tracks around the turntable (4 garden tracks, 12 roundhouse stalls, machine shop track).  Each service track will have a manual power switch to be able to disable (sound) locomotives.





The cardboard cutouts are being used to locate additional buildings in the loco service terminal





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Posted by Old Fat Robert on Tuesday, March 20, 2018 5:00 PM

Onewolf: Your work is amazing! One of the those layouts that makes me want to do more on mine and then I look at mine and compare the two.......... I have a lot of catching up to do!

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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:39 PM

Love the roundhouse/turntable!! 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Wednesday, April 18, 2018 5:50 AM

Most excellent roundhouse.  Amazing job.

I enjoy your regular construction updates.  Keep'em coming.

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Posted by RWSlater on Wednesday, April 18, 2018 6:36 AM

The round house and turntable look great.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:12 PM

Wow!

I just spent 3 hours of my layout building time reading through this thread beginning to end. What can I say? I was late to the party. 

I have only one question.

Did anyone else get dizzy watching the mainline video when the train was going thfough the helix?

Chip

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Posted by rtrowbridge on Thursday, June 14, 2018 12:06 PM

Same here. I stumbled across this thread looking for a map of the Cache Valley Branch. I live in the area and have a small N scale layout representing the branch.

I'm really curious as to what towns besides Ogden, Franklin, and Brigham are going to be represented on the layout. I live a bit North of Cache Junction (where the branch splits off) where there's a siding on the Ogden Subdivision for a feed mill.

It's too bad the layout is meant for 1957. A decade earlier and he could have included the Utah and Idaho Interurban railway. An electric line paralleling his mainline for much of the way could have been fun.

This is an old document, but it describes the geology of the area for when scenery building starts.

https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/geology/publications/bul/612/sec20.htm

SpaceMouse

Wow!

I just spent 3 hours of my layout building time reading through this thread beginning to end. What can I say? I was late to the party. 

I have only one question.

Did anyone else get dizzy watching the mainline video when the train was going thfough the helix?

 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Monday, July 09, 2018 1:28 PM

Onewolf.  Just curious, why did you go with insulfrog Peco's rather than electro frog?

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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Friday, August 24, 2018 12:48 PM

It's been about 5 months, anything new? 

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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Wednesday, October 03, 2018 11:29 PM

Anything new? Starting to worry

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Posted by Water Level Route on Thursday, October 04, 2018 8:38 AM

Santa Fe all the way!
Starting to worry

I'll say.  I just checked the wesite listed on One Wolf's signature.  Nothing new there either.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Friday, October 05, 2018 12:26 PM

Water Level Route
 
Santa Fe all the way!
Starting to worry 

I'll say.  I just checked the wesite listed on One Wolf's signature.  Nothing new there either.

Me too.  His last post at another forum was likewise, about six months ago.

I haven't seen anything by Pastor Bob in a few years either.  Sigh

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Saturday, October 06, 2018 9:47 PM

Sometimes people just loose interest in the internet...........

Notice how much less I post?

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Sunday, October 07, 2018 8:54 PM

No.

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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Thursday, October 11, 2018 1:03 PM

I don't think that somebody would go to all the trouble to build a special building to house their layout, spend a large amount of money, and spend a large amount of time building and documenting, Just to lose interest and stop?? 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, October 11, 2018 6:25 PM

Santa Fe all the way!

I don't think that somebody would go to all the trouble to build a special building to house their layout, spend a large amount of money, and spend a large amount of time building and documenting, Just to lose interest and stop?? 

 

Agreed, but they may loose interest, or lack the time/desire to continue sharing every detail on the internet.........

Sheldon

    

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