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PRR Schuylkill River Division progress report

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PRR Schuylkill River Division progress report
Posted by myowngod on Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:37 PM

This is the first time I'm posting a progess report on the layout that my Dad and I have been building over the past 1-1/2yrs.  For a complete report from the very beginning check out my signature. Granted it is another forum, but unfortunately I can't move the whole thing over here.  So I'll just pick up where I am now.

It is the PRR Schuylkill River Division, mainly near the Philadelphia region.  We chose this area because my Dad was born in Philly and we are both familiar with the areas features.  The plan is from a John Armstrong book.  I slightly modified the plan to fit our wants and space.  But it is pretty true to the orignal JA plan.

At this point the bench work is complete and 95% of the track work is done.  I just started some of the scenery over the past few visits.  I mainly build the structures at my house and transport them to his layout.  Oh yeah, by the way... the layout is 2hrs from my home.  Not and easy commute for a day trip... especially with work in the way and a family to hang out with.

I think we've accomplished quite a bit in just 1-1/2yrs.  So I hope you enjoy the future postings and by all means please critique and share ideas with me as I will with you.

Here is a plan of the most recent version of the layout.

Thanks

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

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Posted by myowngod on Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:41 PM

Back from a long vacation.  I got a lot accomplished.

quick run down.
-finished building, painted and weathered the large warehouse in the yard area.
-built, painted, weathered and installed a Walther's double track warren truss bridge.
-built the Micro Engineering double track city viaduct and started to install
-made mountain terrain from foam and cardboard.
-installed 1/3 of the fascia to the front of the layout (needed for above)
-installed some wiring
-RAN some trains Big Smile [:D]

I'll post the project individually because of the time factor.  So look for them over then next day or two.

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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Posted by myowngod on Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:43 PM

This is a warehouse that I've been working on and finally had a chance to install it on the layout.  The name is from a family relative that had a piano company in Philadelphia in the early 1900's.  I'm not sure if the company ever grew this big, but it makes a nice relationship connection to some business on the layout.  I plan on coming up with some more names for future buildings with "Family Ties".;)

Here's some pre-painting and weather pix.

A little bit further along in the process...

Here is the completed building.  For the b/w sign I first painted the area with Polyscale Aged White.  Then I used stick on letters to mask off the name.  I also masked the boarder of the sign with blue painters tape.  The I tapped on and dry brushed Grimy Black over the whole area.  After pulling the letter and tape off i had a completed sign.  With just a very light dry brushing of the aged white under each letter, to represent running and fading, the sign was done.  I add on a bendy drink straw for the vent pipe.  My daughter wanted me to use her straw for something, I can't pass up her cute face and say no.  The grey conduit was made from some bent styrene and CA glued in place.  At the ground level of the conduit I made a simple meter box from scrap styrene and painted it grey.

This is the area it is installed against the backdrop.

And TA-DA!

I still have a roof to put on it.  It will have the regular vents, pipes, elevator housing, etc.  But that shouldn't take long.  I can build it at home and just plunk it into place.  And add a false back to hide the hole in the backdrop completely.

That's one project accomplished on this last trip.  Still more to come

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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Posted by Jake1210 on Monday, August 4, 2008 1:59 AM
Looking good Ron!  And thank you for posting the trackplan here, I was the person who asked for it on youtube. (Though I found that link on your profile)
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Posted by myowngod on Monday, August 4, 2008 4:37 AM
Glad to help.  As I said before, if you have XtrkCAD, I can send you the file.  You can play around with it all you want.

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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Posted by Jake1210 on Monday, August 4, 2008 3:19 PM
Please do send me the file then. I have XtrkCad. Do you want my e-mail address or are you going to put it up somewhere like rapidshare?
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Posted by myowngod on Monday, August 4, 2008 7:25 PM
I don't feel like signing up for another website for a one time deal.  So E-mail me rklaiss@hotmail.com and I'll send you the file.

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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Posted by myowngod on Monday, August 4, 2008 8:03 PM

Another project I worked one was the Walther's Double Track Warren Truss Bridge.  This was a fairly easy kit to build but once together made a very nice bridge.  This is just one part of what will be the High Line in Philly.  It's located just west of 30th Street Station.

Here's  a prior to painting shot.

And after I airbrushed it and weathered with chalks.

Another part of the High Line on the layout is built from Micro Engineering Double Track City Viaduct.  This kit was a bit of a bear to put together.  The 2 towers were not that hard but the girders were tough.  You can never have enough little clamps... especially ones that square things up at the same time.  I have not paint the viaduct yet so I ended up bring that home to airbrush and weather later.

I nice kit. 

I still have a few stone arches to build to complete the full High Line.  These will most likely be scratch built.

Here's a few shots of the real thing to let you know of the variety of this viaduct.  It stretches 3.7miles along the west side of Philly.  It allowed the PRR to bypass the freight trains around any of the passenger service near 30th St. Station.  Originally it had catenary which has since been removed, but the towers still remain.  Nonetheless it makes an interesting prototype and model... I hope.

I forgot to take some pictures of the area once the bridges were in place but I do have a VIDEO that includes the Klaiss Piano warehouse, the High Line area and also the cardboard mountain terrain that I had started.  I'll show more of the scenery in an upcoming post.

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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Posted by myowngod on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:19 PM

One thing that I did on this last trip was to install part of the fascia board.  It really starts to dress up the layout once that thing goes on.  It defines the layout, covers up that skeletal bench work and says...AAaaahhh.  I only had to put it up on about 1/3 of the layout.  And area that had lots of elevation changes and scenery that depended on where the fascia was.

To attach the 1/8 Masonite board I first need outriggers.  I made these from extra 1"by stock that I had around.  Use up all those short scraps you have lying around.  I tried to keep them vertical of each other, and the pairs where spaced about 1-1/2-2' in tight radius areas and 2-3' apart at straight runs.
You can see a few in these pictures.

A video of the OUTRIGGERS.


Here is the masonite with the basic profile cut out.  once it was installed and the scenery brought up to it, I later roto-zipped the edge to match the scenery.

I made a real handy jig to help hold up the fascia and keep it level while I screwed it into the outriggers.  I used 1-1/4" drywall screws with #10 finish washers to attached it.  The jig stood 36" high with a 1" square board on top to keep the masonite in place.  I added a couple feet to help it stand up.  they also made it possible to wedge the jig under the board and keep it tight against the outriggers.  especially in the tight radius areas. 

You can see the finished fascia in the next few pix.

Here is a videos of the complete FASCIA.

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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PRR Schuylkill River Division progress report
Posted by myowngod on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 9:06 PM

I completed a lot of the cardboard webbing for the rural mountain side of the layout.  I'll soon be ready to start adding the plaster soaked paper towels over top to really make the mountains come alive.  I can't wait!:D

Here is a bunch of shots of the Schuylkill river valley.  I like how the tracks run along side of the river.  If I only had room to model the deathtrap Schuylkill Expressway, it would look exactly like the prototype.

An overall shot of the river valley.

This will be a large rock cut, a familiar site along the expressway

Here is a VIDEO of the river area.  I discuss some ideas for the scenery.

This is the upper track section of the layout.  The highest point that trains can reach.  It includes 2 pop-out section.  One will have a small town on it and the other already has the base for a hillside attached to it.
The pink foam is one of the pop-outs.  The hill hasn't been added yet.

Here you can see the hill added on, taken from the river side.

And this is from the outer fascia side, taken from the adjacent den.

Here's a VIDEO of the pop-out and upper track area.

Thanks for checking out my most recent projects on the layout.  I hope you've enjoyed them... and found at least a small nugget of information useful.  If anyone has any feedback or ideas, I'm all ears.  Please share your modeling experiences.

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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Posted by zeis96 on Friday, August 8, 2008 2:09 AM
I came across your videos on Youtube. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to your progress.

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Posted by myowngod on Friday, August 8, 2008 4:55 AM

 zeis96 wrote:
I came across your videos on Youtube. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to your progress.

Thanks,

Speaking of videos here's a VIDEO of a GP-30 taking a spin around the layout.  I'll try to get longer runs,but the battery zonked out just as it ducked into the tunnel.Sigh [sigh]  The model is a Bachmann DCC installed model I got off pf Ebay for a great deal.  I couldn't pass it up... especially when I low-balled the price and unexpectedly won.Shock [:O]

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:30 PM
looks like it's coming along really well.

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Posted by Scarpia on Monday, August 11, 2008 8:35 AM

Nice work on the bridges, I built that same Walther's double track bridge, it's a nice model.

I'm amazed at how fast yours is going up, I've watched your youtube vids, and I'm impressed with the speed of your construction. I can't wait to see those hillsides covered up! 

I'm trying to model 1956, not live in it.

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Posted by myowngod on Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:53 PM

I haven't been down to the layout in a while but my Dad got more of the fascia up and painted it the green color I chose.  I think it looks pretty good so far.  It really starts to finish off and dress the layout.

This is in front of the main yard area.

Here is the area of fascia that I put up back in August.(to the right of the red pole.  He added the section to the left of the pole that wraps around to the main yard area.

And a wider angle shot of the whole layout.  It's really coming together.

I can't wait to get down there and start working again.

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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Posted by OzarkBelt on Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:59 AM

Ron,

 WOW!

 I know you don't have scenery done yet, but the work you have done is very good. Lots of good pictures and looks well grounded in the prototype! Impressive, Most Impressive!

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Posted by markalan on Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:43 PM

 Ron,

Yes, wow!  And, I really like the SIZE of your piano factory!!  I like big buildings on my layout.  I think they make the trains look more realistic in an urban setting.  

 Here are pics of a few of mine: http://cs.trains.com/trccs/forums/t/140225.aspx


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Posted by nbrodar on Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:16 PM

 Ron,

Looking great.  I feel right at home.  Living in Phoenixville and work in Philly, I drive the Schuylkill Expressway everyday.   Keep up the good work.

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Posted by myowngod on Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:35 PM

Got back from my Dad's house on Saturday with some great progress photos and videos to share.  I've been very busy this week, even though I'm on "vacation".  I've been putting in 8hrs a day working on a clients layout, a Marklin HO scale 13'x17' layout.  I'll share photos and videos later on a separate thread.

Onto the progress report.

The main project that I worked on this trip was laying out the control panel schematics on the installed fascia areas.  The first panel I did was for the main yard.  I used 1/4" white pin striping tape for the lines.  The fascia was  17" high and I have 14 tracks to lay in.  I used 1" centers on the schematic, that left just enough space on the panel at the top for future names and yard tech info.

Here is the start of the panels.  These are the 2 main lines with the crossover and station siding.  You can see the laser line level I used to get the tape dead on straight.  I put dots on each side of the fascia at 1" centers and lined up the laser for perfect lines.  easy and worked like a charm.

After a few hours of work, lining up dots, laying tape, cutting 45 degree angles, and cursing a couple times... here's the results.

The right side of the yard near the roundhouse.  The black square is the Walther's 90' turntable control. A very nice kit, works perfectly.

Here's a close up of the TT control.

This is the left side of the panel with the yard classification tracks and passenger station area.

We mounted the NCE Power Cab plug-in jack in the space above the yard.  For now we have a temporary solution to the throttle holder... VELCRO.

I used graph paper to sketch out the schematic before committing it to the fascia.  This gave me a feel for how the tracks would line up on the finished schematic.  I think this quick, easy step saved a lot of headaches.

That's all the work that was done on the first day down.  We actually had some fun running trains that night.  We also found some minor hiccups that we had to fix while running them... doesn't that always happen?  I'll have a video of that run in the next post.

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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Posted by myowngod on Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:38 PM

Here's the video I made of an Athearn F7A/B #9673 pulling 6 AHM(I think) PRR passenger coaches.  This is my first attempt at editing a video of many clips.  Please give me some feedback or pointers.  A couple of things I know I'm going to do next time is to run the trains slower, and get more low angle run-by's with a steady camera.  But I like the results so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPO-1qdpwVs"]F7A/B

 

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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Posted by myowngod on Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:09 PM


Here's a few more pix of a couple other control panel schematic I did.

The next section I tackled was a small panel near the Schuylkill river section.  It will control the crossovers coming out of the yard from behind the roundhouse, and also the middle staging area that contains 3 storage tracks.

And the final panel I worked on during this last trip was for the upper town area and the lower staging yard.  The staging has 2 storage tracks in it, and the third outside track acts as a reversing loop.

Here you can see the town area that the panel will handle.  The staging is just behind the green fascia.  The hill in front is a lift out section to gain access to the tracks below...just in case.:eek:

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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Posted by CSXDixieLine on Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:16 PM

Great progress updates and great videos! BTW my 4-year old son is gonna be mad at me in the morning when he realizes I accidentally closed the YouTube window where we had paused your most recent video, but he'll be fine when I tell him we can watch it again from the beginning. Cool Jamie

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Posted by myowngod on Friday, January 23, 2009 8:18 PM

Thanks Jamie,

My son can watch the videos over and over again.  When he gets down to the layout, it's hard to keep him away...heck, who am I kidding... It's hard to keep me away, too.Big Smile

Another video of the progress as of 1/16/2009.  It covers all kinds of projects that are in the works.  I also as about the positioning of my yard tower.  It's an American Model Builders kit.  I was going to put it with the long wall with all the windows facing the tracks in front of it.  But I started to think it would be more practical if the large windows faced the main yard tracks to see what is happening in the yard.  Some people have mention that they usual face it toward the front, immediate tracks. so they can do inspection of the departing trains.  Any help would be appreciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyT6EgKtqlc

 

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Ron

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, January 23, 2009 8:40 PM

 Is that the plan based on the one from Creative Layout Design? I guess being from the area I always 'got' the jokes he incorporated on that one - one of my favorite Armstrong plans. Particularly the town of Bee Haven (so you can have a local pageant each year to crown the new Miss Bee Haven!). Not to mention the Welsh town of Llawn Mawr.

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Posted by jdamelio on Friday, January 23, 2009 8:50 PM

Enjoyed the videos and watching your progress.  Wrong side of the River thoughWink

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Posted by myowngod on Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:19 AM

rrinker

 Is that the plan based on the one from Creative Layout Design? I guess being from the area I always 'got' the jokes he incorporated on that one - one of my favorite Armstrong plans. Particularly the town of Bee Haven (so you can have a local pageant each year to crown the new Miss Bee Haven!). Not to mention the Welsh town of Llawn Mawr.

                                        --Randy

Yup, That's the plan.  I took it and scanned it into the computer.  Then I mirrored the image to better fit our space.  The upper lobe I stretched out to fit the long wall we have.  This also widen the main aisle (in front of "DeMaigne Yard", another of Armstrong witty names).  Because the original plan was in O scale and we're model HO, the aisle got real tight... like 13" tight (ouch!).  That was one thing JA almost always had, tight aisles.  Another main plan change I did was to push the main track to the outside of the bench work in the main yard area. JA had the yard lead going to the branch line cross over all the incoming yard switches and double mains.  I DID NOT want to hand lay all that specialty track work and really mess things up.  I think it runs alot smoother now.

 

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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Posted by myowngod on Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:22 AM

jdamelio

Wrong side of the River thoughWink

That's alight, at least your modeling the Philly area.  I do have a Greenlane bridge representation, and eventually a small version of 30th St. Station.

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Ron

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Posted by crfan on Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:14 AM

Ron, awesome work.  Being from Port Richmond, I too know the area well.  Upon seeing your piano factory, it struck me that it looks very similar to the Packard building that is visible from the east bound lanes of the Vine Street Expressway, between the 23rd street and Broad street exits. Since you said you were going to have a small representation of 30th Street station, would you also include a representation of the Amtrack lines crossing I-76 right around the Art Museum?  Anyway, once again, great work.

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:20 PM

jdamelio

Enjoyed the videos and watching your progress.  Wrong side of the River thoughWink

  I agree Big Smile

hehe at least 'our' side isn't a bike path.... Evil

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Posted by myowngod on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:16 PM

My Dad and I started installing some of the toggle switch that will control all of the turnouts on the layout.  They are SPDT momentary (on)-off-(on).  I did all of the soldering of the wire leads at the work bench.  I did not want to be under the layout solder 60+ switches with 3 solder points each, a total over 190.  With hot solder dripping on me from above.:eek:OUCH!:eek:  While I was doing the soldering my Dad was drilling the holes and putting in the toggles.  Also connecting the common wire between all the toggles and eventually running the power to the turnout machine themselves.

I also installed a UTP panel from NCE to accommodate another throttle on the other side of the main layout.  I noticed the throttle would not connect if it was plugged in before the initial boot up of the NCE PowerCab.  Has anyone else experienced this?

Another projected completed was the installation of the NCE Auto-Switch.  It controls the automatic switching off of the main track power when I change to program track mode.  I isolated the stub end track near the main yard that is part of the passenger station area.  I insulated it by cutting with a Dremel tool and CA gluing in a piece of styrene in the gap of both tracks.

My Dad and I both worked on installing metal wheel sets in many of the layouts rolling stock.  This is keeping the track a lot cleaner... and just sound a lot cooler rolling around the layout, too. :D

I brought down quite a few acquisitions from eBay to the layout.  You can never have enough rolling stock. ;)

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Thanks for watching.

Keep the axels greased and the tender full, we're rollin' now.

Ron

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