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great points Zepher, Going around the room could be better but I still have a section that I cant build in front of since its a part of the stairs leading down to the basement thats the big reason I was looking at doing the loop. Ithink the 2 feet around the room and then going into a loop and inclining back around the room to the upper lever might just have some promise of course it may have to be a 3% grade but hey if you have big diesels I say use them.
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