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well dboy58 and son i can tell you this on the size of a layout you can do a point to point if it is your frist one you would get the feel of things with it and you can later add to it as space opens up i been in the hobby for 17 years now and don both ho and n scale i statred with a 3 x 3 n scale layout point to point and now it is 24 x 30 and growing i found with the years new pepole getting itnto the hobby and building a big layout from the start and befor it is finshed they trash it or sell it off just start small and you can get into all the other things that make this a great hobby their is more to a layout than a track plan you have to see the whole thing the weatherd cars the buildings and all the landscaping with a small layout you can do all of it and get the feel for it for when you do add on or build your dream layout here is a web site from other modlers it is www.the-gauge.com
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