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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, September 1, 2022 12:14 PM

NVSRR

What is this about a finished ceiling in a layout space I am seeing1?

 

 

Are you asking me? Did you see my pictures in a different thread?

 

Yes, a finished ceiling in the basement for two reasons - less dust, better lighting.

The layout will fill nearly the whole basment.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, September 1, 2022 12:16 PM

richhotrain

 

 
Doughless
 

And my apologies.  I think I am responsible for being the first to type the words "lawn tractor" in this thread.

BTW, I think I saw a pic somewhere of a finished ceiling in the new layout space.  

 

 

Alas, I am not without guilt. In responding to your comment, I was the first to mention GRAVELY. Embarrassed

 

Rich

 

You do realize I took the bait just for fun?

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, September 1, 2022 1:03 PM

Yes, I do realize that, and you are a good sport.  Yes

Rich

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Posted by NVSRR on Friday, September 2, 2022 8:36 AM

I didn't see that thread Sheldon.   just getting back online after many months of recovering.  

sshane

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Posted by "JaBear" on Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:11 AM

NVSRR by Bear, on Flickr

 

Legend.
 
Minimum radius, Main line, 24”. Minimum radius, Branch & Yard, 20”.  Track used: Peco Code 100 flex, (SL-100)
Turnouts used: Peco Code 100 medium radius, L (SL-E96) & R (SL-E95); large radius Y (SL-E98)
Maximum grade, (branch line only) 2.5%.  Aisle: 30”.   
*Locomotive Servicing. *Depot / Team track. *Farm Supplies / Gravely Distributor.
*Quarry (Stone). *Quarry (Lime stone). *Coal mine. *Steel Fabricators.
*Cement Plant.
____Scenery divider.   ____Vertical separation.
 
 
      Explanation. (Excuses!!)
 
This design has taken awhile as work and life have interfered.
 
As with most layout designs this has its fair share of compromises, but what I’ve tried to do is fill Shane’s prerequisites, as I understand them, and fit them to the “room”.
 
The aisle is for one.
 
To me, modern era means length, (I just hope Shane doesn’t have a large fleet of 89-foot auto racks), so I’ve kept the radius as large as I can, and extended the arrival / departure track to curve around the RH end, so there can be a reasonable (?) train length.
 
I’ve gone for Peco Code 100 medium turnouts because that’s what I use and had on hand to work out the yard. That said, I model the early 50’s when 40/50-foot box cars were the go, but they should work well as long as train speed is kept sensible. The Peco small radius turnouts would save space in the yard, and I suspect that I would also do the job, but…
 
I stuck with linear; easier to construct, but, for example, the inside end of the “peninsular” could be rounded off.
 
I rather suspect that I’ve gone more for running trains, than running trains through scenery, and with that in mind the two outside tracks could be used as separate tracks, or a double tracked main, or a single main with lots of passing loops though of course it does mean running through the scenery twice.
 
It’s been an interesting exercise, though I think learning a CAD track planner would come in handy; if I had the patience!!
Cheers, the Bear.Smile

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Posted by Doughless on Sunday, September 11, 2022 9:00 AM

I think the locations and number of turnouts you have are more of a suggestion/inspiration than a precise design.  They seem to be very sharp and don't take up as much linear space as would be required.  Just my eyeball opinion.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Monday, September 12, 2022 4:36 AM

Doughless
think the locations and number of turnouts you have are more of a suggestion/inspiration than a precise design.  They seem to be very sharp and don't take up as much linear space as would be required.  Just my eyeball opinion.

A valid opinion, Douglas. Though I did set out the turnouts and some track for the yard on the table and took my measurements from the mock-up.
While the general layout of the yard fits in the area allotted, my rendition of the results has not translated well to paper and I should have added a disclaimer on actual accuracy.
This is where the ability of being able to use a CAD track design programme would be handy.
Cheers, the Bear.Smile

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, September 12, 2022 5:52 AM

Bear, I appreciate your continued pursuit of possible designs for the OP's layout. It is a tough task to design a layout for someone else. Good job!

Rich

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Posted by DonRicardo on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 3:43 PM

Just ten cents from an amateur, one advantage of an around the wall layout is the ability to have storage cabinets (I use old Bureaus) under. If hardwired, with dual recptacles on the sides of the cabinets, it makes electrical hookups very easy. Though not an admirer of peninsulars, this also holds true for them as well.

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Posted by NVSRR on Monday, September 26, 2022 6:30 PM

As design goes on, I have found a home in the new one for two good size pieces of the current one.   The rest goes, unless the farmers coop finds a home.     Most of the upper level is done acept for one stretch along the window wall.  The lower i was going to wait on since I figured, staging,  engine facility aand yard  were there.  But that blank area on the upper that i was thinking urban industrial got me thinking about the seven orfan buildings off the current layout. Wnat to find them a home.  That forced me think of designing the lower to see wht I have. Thats where it sits.   Now I am looking for pics of  urban industrial areas to study trackage ind industry layout.   Looking at old 30's and 40's pics to see what was. This layout is contmporary, so alot of "what once was" s being planned in. Should be very interesting with the locomotive facility.

 

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Posted by NVSRR on Monday, September 26, 2022 6:36 PM

so far.   the pile of grapgpaper rectangles are the orfan industries in scale form with track locations. 

Shane

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An optimist sees the light at the end of the tunnel

A realist sees a frieght train

An engineer sees three idiots standing on the tracks stairing blankly in space

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