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For those who model water features..
Posted by The Milwaukee Road Warrior on Tuesday, August 9, 2022 8:35 AM

I've watched quite a few diorama modeling videos from Luke Towan where he resin-casts water features and then uses Mod Podge on top to simulate currents/ripples.  After applying the MP he uses his airbrush to push it around on the surface to achieve the look of water movement.

I don't have an airbrush, but has anyone tried using a small hair-dryer to achieve the same effect?  I don't see why that wouldn't work although the stream of air will obviously not be as concentrated as it would be from an airbrush.

Andy

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Posted by BATMAN on Tuesday, August 9, 2022 9:19 AM

I saw a video long ago where the guy blew through a straw to get the effect. Just be sure to brush and floss beforehand so you don't blow chunks.Laugh

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Posted by The Milwaukee Road Warrior on Tuesday, August 9, 2022 9:32 AM

BATMAN

I saw a video long ago where the guy blew through a straw to get the effect. Just be sure to brush and floss beforehand so you don't blow chunks.Laugh

 

Ha!  

Yes, I don't know why I didn't think of just using a straw.  That's as simple as it gets.

Andy

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Posted by drgwcs on Tuesday, August 9, 2022 10:25 AM

I much prefer using a heavy gloss gel medium that you can find in art supplies. You do not have to blow to get ripples. There is also a step below this in thickness. You can brush or stipple and it will retain its shape. 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, August 9, 2022 10:30 AM

We have done it with envirotex when building wargame terrain. My littoral landings were all textured like this. If I can find them I will post pictures.

I dont know why you would use an airbrush. The hose for the airbrush goes into the bottom, and that would increase the possibility the hose would touch the surface while working on it, and ruin the water.

We have used a normal "air blower" shop nozzle attached to a regulator to bring the pressure down to 10 PSI. The hose for the air nozzle goes into the rear, and it is much easier to keep the hose out of the material.

We place the terrain piece on about a 15 degree angle and blow the Envirotex uphill. As it tries to flow back down the waves become very convincing. The piece is trimmed to size after the envirotex hardens.

I would caution against doing this if any other scenery is complete. There is a good possibility you could blow loose particles of ground cover that could end up in your water.

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Posted by selector on Tuesday, August 9, 2022 8:02 PM

Google Michael Cawdrey railroad art.  He has some very realistic images of his models.  I'm sure you can contact him.

I myself discovered gel gloss medium about 15 years ago.  Wonderful stuff.  It goes on white and opaque, like cold cream.  The peaks will take some time to turn clear, but the rest of it will be clear and cured inside of 30 hours, depending on ambient humidity.

 

 

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Posted by The Milwaukee Road Warrior on Tuesday, August 9, 2022 8:04 PM

Kevin, out of curiosity, when you pour Envirotex (Lite) how thick do you pour it?  I ultimately need a depth of about 3/4" to 1".  As I understand it I will need to break these pours up into layers of 1/8" to 1/4" at most.  Does this sound correct?  

I looked at Woodland Scenics Deep Water Murky today but with either product I'm not sure how much coverage I will get based on the volume I have to fill, which means I'm not sure at this time how many boxes I may need..

Andy

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Posted by The Milwaukee Road Warrior on Tuesday, August 9, 2022 8:08 PM

selector

Google Michael Cawdrey railroad art.  He has some very realistic images of his models.  I'm sure you can contact him.

I myself discovered gel gloss medium about 15 years ago.  Wonderful stuff.  It goes on white and opaque, like cold cream.  The peaks will take some time to turn clear, but the rest of it will be clear and cured inside of 30 hours, depending on ambient humidity.

Will do!  Thanks.  The pics here look fantastic.

Andy

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, August 9, 2022 9:25 PM

The Milwaukee Road Warrior
Kevin, out of curiosity, when you pour Envirotex (Lite) how thick do you pour it?

I have never poured Envirotex over 1/4" thick. I do not know how (or if) a thcker pour would work.

I cannot find my Littoral Landing terrain pieces, sorry. The rules to DBA were changed a few years ago, and the board size went from 24 by 24 to 30 by 30. My pieces were too small, so I might have gotten rid of them.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 5:21 AM

The Milwaukee Road Warrior

Kevin, out of curiosity, when you pour Envirotex (Lite) how thick do you pour it?  I ultimately need a depth of about 3/4" to 1".  As I understand it I will need to break these pours up into layers of 1/8" to 1/4" at most.  Does this sound correct?

Yes, you want to limit your pours to 1/4". On my current layout, I built a fairy large and long river with Envirotex and did it in successive 1/4" pours to avoid problems with the curing process.

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Posted by jpg on Thursday, August 11, 2022 2:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Heq3varRv_Q

Edit: Also, Marklin or Martin of Sweden has a video or two where he shows how to use toilet paper with a brush to make waves, for a harbor scene.

 

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Posted by kasskaboose on Thursday, August 11, 2022 7:26 PM

I also do a 1/4" for each pour.  To mark that amount, I put a small line with a fine ball point pen at a different point for each layour .  They get covered for each layer and no one notices.

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Posted by TBat55 on Friday, August 19, 2022 11:21 PM

By using a straw, the carbon dioxide in your breath pops small bubbles, depending on what material was poured.

 

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