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Posted by Water Level Route on Friday, December 4, 2020 5:38 AM

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My two favorite lost layouts fall into that category - - Gary Hoover's Santa Fe layout and Lance Mindheim's Hoosier Line-Monon layout. It must take some substantial level of inner fortitude to tear down an outstanding layout.

Tony Koester's Allegheny Midland as well.  What I find kind of sad is that it felt like I knew the AM just from his frequent use of it as a subject in his Trains Of Thought column.  Operational snafus, revelations about design, challenges, etc.  Feels like the new Nickle Plate Road barely exists.  Maybe he is throwing that content into the numerous books he is writting?

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, December 4, 2020 6:05 AM

For those of you who may wish to reaearch these lost layouts further, here is a list of all lost layouts mentioned to this point. My apologies if I have missed any.

John Allen - Gorre & Daphetid 

Gary Hoover - Santa Fe 

Lance Mindheim - Hoosier Line-Monon 

Allen McClelland - Virginia & Ohio 

Trevor Marshall - Port Rowan 

Chuck Hitchcock - Santa Fe 

Bill McClanahan - Texas & Rio Grande Western

David Barrow - Cat Mountain and Santa Fe

Mike Danneman - Rio Grande Moffat Road 

Frank Ellison - Delta Lines 

Paul Larson - Mineral Point & Northern

Andy Sperandeo - AT&SF 

Tony Koester - Allegheny Midland 

Mack Lowry - Railways of America

Willi and Judi Lindhorst - Charlemagne's Kingdom

PV&W Model Railroad Club - Platte Valley & Western

Jim Vail - Glenwood & Black Creek

Irv Schultz - St. Clair Northern

Roy Dohn - Victoria Northern

Whit Tower - Alturas & Lone Pine

Mike Sharman - Victorian Railway

Rev.  P. Denny - Buckingham Central

P.D Hancock - Craig & Mertonford

David Jenkinson- The Long Drag and LMS

Mike Charman - The Charford Branch

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Posted by fmilhaupt on Friday, December 4, 2020 6:13 AM

I miss Doug Tagsold's model railroad based on the railroads that used the Toledo Terminal. He really captured the feel of the area. One aspect that stood out to me was that it was one of the rare model railroads where you were expected to actually switch hi-cube auto parts cars into and out of an industry, rather than just use them as rolling scenery.

I certainly understand the draw that took him back to modeling Colorado narrow gauge, though. His 1:72 Colorado & Southern Clear Creek Division works really well in the space, especially since he has a well thought-out operating plan that makes good use of the long runs he has available. And that doesn't even take into account his excellent modeling.

Arnt Gerritsen's Ann Arbor Railroad (Model Railroad Planning 1995) is a lost layout that still physically exists. We just haven't been able to find a suitable home for it. The four-hour drive to his operating sessons was always worth it. In addition to the joy of operating on his layout, and simply being around Arnt (in addition to being a genuinely nice guy, he was a library of hobby industry knowledge from his days working for Overland Models) he and his wife prided themselves on providing creative lunch spreads during the mid-session breaks.

I'm going to miss Trevor Marshall's updates on the Port Rowan, but given how many things he seems to want to do and how quickly he moves on to the next thing that interests him, I was surprised that it lasted as long as it did. His work is always fascinating to watch.

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Posted by Jetrock on Friday, December 4, 2020 10:06 AM

My favorite lost layout from my childhood is the Sierra Central, the Sacramento Model Railroad Club's layout, a big "folded dog bone" with a dispatcher's area, elevated engineer's cabs, and dedicated narrow gauge and traction branches. My dad took me there a couple of times in the mid-1970s and I was fascinated by the complexity and detail, and also by the vintage Coke machine (the horizontal style with a lid that sold the little green glass bottles.) My dad was getting into the hobby in his mid-thirties (he had some old American Flyer and OO stuff as a kid) and it also inspired his layouts (he did the benchwork, trackwork, and electrical, my brother and I expressed our artistic tendencies by helping build scenery and structures.) Visiting downtown Sacramento to see the layout also began my early fascination with that part of the city. The building where the club was located (and the whole adjoining block) was demolished in the 1980s for an expansion of the downtown convention center, and I think Sacramento's current Sacramento Model Railroad Historical Society, located in a Sacramento neighborhood a few miles away, may share some continuity with the earlier downtown club.

 

When I was getting back into the hobby in my own mid-30s, I visited South Shasta Lines in Gerber, CA, an O scale basement layout built by Godfrey Humann, which he opened every other year to the public, along with other attractions like a 2' gauge steam locomotive that pulled visitors around his orchard. He passed away in 2009 but I don't know the current disposition of his layout. The era and details of his layout encompassed past decades of model railroading practice. It helped inspire me to get back into the hobby, as well as other concurrent inspirations like being a volunteer at the California State Railroad Museum.

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Posted by MARTIN STATION on Saturday, December 5, 2020 3:54 PM

 For me it was Allegheny Midland, the Utah Belt and a small project layout in MMR called the Yule Central that was built around Christmas time. It was what I based my first layout on and I had a crush on that Atlas Cotton Belt GP40.

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, December 5, 2020 6:14 PM

 The start of the Trains of Thought column back in the 80's (yeah, he's been writing it that long) got me into the concept of doing a proto-freelance layout. But I have since come back to doing a specific prototype. 

 In addition to the column - he put out a book on the AM not too long ago. Basically, a "Lessons learned" book - actually, that was the title.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Saturday, December 5, 2020 7:20 PM

Although it's "somewhat recent" would be David Popp's N Scale New Haven Naugatuck Valley R.R. 

I first seen it in the Dream, Plan, Build video series. It really inspired me that N Scale can be designed with incredible detail that will even match HO.

Like many people were sad when he packed and sold everything for the new On30 Olympia Logging project layout for MRVP.

Modeling the G.N.O. Railway, The Diamond Route.

Amtrak America, 1971-Present.

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Posted by WPA on Sunday, December 6, 2020 9:31 AM

Though not along the same line as some of the prolific hobby layouts, anyone that grew up in Pittsburgh in the 60s and 70s, and was fortunate to have been exposed to the Buhl Planitatium layout, will no doubt rank it as a true classic.  It was relocated to the new Carnegie Science Center.  The layout, to kid level eyes, is full of active animation and for many years the trip to Buhl was one of the highlights of the holiday season. Link: http://buhlplanetarium3.tripod.com/MiniRR.htm

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, December 6, 2020 9:53 AM

Buhl deserves a closer look.  It was extensively rebuilt every year in the mid-Seventies, and perhaps every year Mr. Bowdish was working on it.  Apparently the animations were extensively revised year by year too.

 

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Sunday, December 6, 2020 10:03 AM

I think my favorite was John Armstrong's Canadaigua Southern.  I was fortunate enough to see it shortly before it was taken down after his death.

Paul

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Posted by ctyclsscs on Sunday, December 6, 2020 12:18 PM

One of the finest layouts I have ever seen was Don Cassler's B&O layout in Pittsburgh. It was fabulous but rarely covered in the model press. Partly because Don quit for a while after the death of his wife. Then, when he resumed work years later, I don't know if anyone really documented all of the new sections that were added. Sadly, Don passed away about six years ago. Some of his "crew" wanted to purchase the house and save the layout, but other family members wanted the house and the layout torn down. And so it's gone...

Baltimore & Ohio M & K Division (keystonedivision.org)

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, December 6, 2020 12:52 PM

ctyclsscs
One of the finest layouts I have ever seen was Don Cassler's B&O layout in Pittsburgh.

Thank you for providing that link, Jim. I would have to agree on the quality of modeling on Don's layout. Those photos are magnificent and inspiring!

To think, all that hand-laid track destroyed and in a dumpster Super Angry

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Posted by L. Zhou on Sunday, December 6, 2020 2:45 PM

I miss Peter Hayworth's Wangkui Railway layout, which was dismantled in 2010. His work proved that modeling the Chinese prototype in a large space was possible. 

"No one realizes how beautiful it is to travel until he comes home and rests his head on his old, familiar pillow." -Lin Yutang

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, December 6, 2020 11:36 PM

gmpullman
 
ctyclsscs
One of the finest layouts I have ever seen was Don Cassler's B&O layout in Pittsburgh. 

Thank you for providing that link, Jim. I would have to agree on the quality of modeling on Don's layout. Those photos are magnificent and inspiring!

To think, all that hand-laid track destroyed and in a dumpster Super Angry

Regards, Ed 

I have to wholeheartedly agree with you, Ed. And, yes, thank you Jim for posting that link. When I look at those photos, I realize that I can never hope to achieve the level of magnificence that Don achieved with his B&O layout.

Rich

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Posted by ctyclsscs on Sunday, December 6, 2020 11:53 PM

I only wish that Don's layout could have been photographed for one last magazine feature article, but nobody seemed interested in pursuing it. I tried a little but it wasn't my place to get involved. He probably could have a hundred articles about the fabulous work he and his friends did, but that just didn't seem to be his priority. Sigh...

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, December 6, 2020 11:57 PM

ctyclsscs

I only wish that Don's layout could have been photographed for one last magazine feature article, but nobody seemed interested in pursuing it. I tried a little but it wasn't my place to get involved. He probably could have a hundred articles about the fabulous work he and his friends did, but that just didn't seem to be his priority. Sigh...

Jim

 

Jim, you did good by posting that link and giving all of us a glimpse of Don's fabulous layout. It was a piece of pure artistic genius.

Rich

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Posted by Water Level Route on Monday, December 7, 2020 8:17 AM

Feel free to knock me for including a 3-rail layout, but the layout in what was once The Train Barn in Portage, MI did much for fueling my creativity when I was a youth.  My grandfather would take me there when I was down for a visit, and right up until me last visit there it never lost it's magic for me.  Too bad it's gone.  The suspension bridge (first shown about 2:10 in the video) was amazing.  You could actually watch the deck give and rebound as the weight of the train rolled over it.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, December 7, 2020 8:35 AM

Reminds me a bit of the Choo Choo Barn in Strasburg.

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