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Leeds Sovereign Street & Clarence Dock - a UK based layout

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Leeds Sovereign Street & Clarence Dock - a UK based layout
Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, October 12, 2020 4:40 AM

https://www.flickr.com/photos/190575792@N07/50459061757/in/dateposted-public/

Hi Everyone.  A newbie here.   I model a UK based in layout.   Here is a photograph of Clarence Dock after the rainfall.

 

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Posted by BigDaddy on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:56 PM

I don't know what you did, but it didn't involve following all the directions in the sticky on How To Post Photos

We can't even click on your link.  That sounds harsh, and I don't mean to be harsh.  Posting pics in this forum is unlike any other forum I've been in.  Your pic is here;

There is photo software that does what is called photo stacking.  It puts together multiple photos, focused at different points to create extreme depth of field.  Your pic could use that.

Back to posting pics.  At the bottom right on Flickr is an upward arrow pointing right.  Click on that.   Choose BB link and copy that.   That includes information that points to Flickr and your account.  All you need is the open bracket just to the left of img] everything that follows and the closed bracket just after /img]

Paste it as text in your post, without any of the picture or link icons.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:42 AM

Thanks BigDaddy.  It was my first picture post.  I shall have to get it right for posting photos.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 5:05 AM

Here is a picture of a London, Midland & Scottish (LMS)  Jubilee Class locomotive number 5699  Galatea    heading north to York.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 12:14 PM

(Hopefully this is correct.)

LMS locomotive 6149  Lady of the Lake  taking on water at Sovereign Street Station

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 2:37 PM

Hi everyone (again).   I have posted another photograph, hopefully correctly.   (I'll not know until after 24 hours.)

Meanwhile,  a little history about Leeds Sovereign Street & Clarence Dock Railway. It is a layout set in three timeframes.  One is in 1914 to 1919.   The second 1930s  and the third is 1968 to 1978   

In the 1890s the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Company built a line from Dewsbury Market Place Station to Leeds Central with a station at Leeds Sovereign Street.    They then built another line from Sovereign Street to Wetherby; with the intention of reaching York.

A small railway company, Kirkstall & East Seacroft Railway had running rights through Sovereign Street  on to East Seacroft.

More to follow with hopefully a plan of the layout.

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Posted by snjroy on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:27 PM

Welcome to the forum David. Nice layout!  

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Posted by BigDaddy on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:10 PM

You are a quick learner.  Love the Brit steamers.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, October 15, 2020 4:32 AM

Thanks for the welcome, Simon.

Thanks for the help, Henry.

 

As mentoned (above)  the layout is set in three timeframes.

In the beginning I ran only diesels in the 1968/78 timeframe.   Then my young grandchildren (aged 6,5,4,3 and 3)  wanted to join in.

We began to run little four wheeled steam engines and four wheeled trucks as they were easy to handle. I became 'hooked' on running the steam engines, so when the grandchildren are not here a 1914/1919  timeframe was implemented.

The strange thing now, is that the grandchildren are always want to run the diesels.  My younger granddaughter is even more interested in the real engines and  is often seen at Heritage Museums.

I have a liking of LMS locomotives  and have a small collection of six engines.  When I run them the scene becomes 1930s.

Therefore I have one track layout, but can run trains in different eras.  All great fun.

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, October 15, 2020 4:50 AM

NorthBrit
Here is a picture of a London, Midland & Scottish (LMS)  Jubilee Class locomotive number 5699  Galatea    heading north to York.

Hi David,

I'm glad that you were able to figure out how to post your photos to the forums. Your scenes are very detailed. Please show us more!

Cheers!!

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:11 AM

A scene at Sovereign Street Yard

A Hudson Ward Flour Millers closed van has been unloaded at Hudson Ward's Warehouse.   George Clarke is closing the van doors. 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:20 AM

Hello and welcome to the forum.  Those are some nice scenes.  I'll have to show them to my wife, who was born and raised in South Shields, Tyne & Wear but immigrated to the US 9 years ago.  Sounds like you live in Newcastle area.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:27 AM

hon30critter

 Hi David,

I'm glad that you were able to figure out how to post your photos to the forums. Your scenes are very detailed. Please show us more!

Cheers!!

Dave

 

Thanks for your comments, Dave.  Much appreciated.

Here are three LMS Locomotives at Crown Point yard

Princess Class Lady Patricia,  Duchess Class   Duchess of Sutherland  and Jubilee Class  Galatea.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:49 AM

Hello riogrande5761.  Thanks for the welcome.

I was born and raised  in Leeds, Yorkshire and grew up there and Dewsbury, Yorkshire.    I travelled around Europe for a little while before moving to Washington (near South Shields).  

I married and we moved to near the Scottish Borders.  We spent a short while in New York, USA before moving back to South Tyneside. 

One of my other hobbies is cruise ships and I have a number of photographs taken from South Shields of ships at the Port of Tyne.

My layout although set in and around Leeds, has scenes of around the North of England that bring back memories.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, October 16, 2020 11:04 AM

 

 

The Sovereign Street section of the layout is 4ft long 1ft 8inches wide tapering to 1ft wide.   The scenery is set to 1914/19 time with soldiers on the platform an hospital staff outside the station

Two views of the station and yard

Goods trains pass.

 

 

A view of the Yard.

 

 

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Friday, October 16, 2020 2:13 PM

That takes me back. A Lancashire lad (out of water down South) watching the goods wagons and vans get shunted at Battle station in the late 50's and early 60's. Lots of banging and chuffing.

It was years before I figured out what the clock hands were for on the front of every locomotive boiler, they never seemed to show the correct time of day. 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, October 16, 2020 2:24 PM

Lastspikemike

That takes me back. A Lancashire lad 

A red rose lad and a white  rose lad.  Big Smile

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Posted by NorthBrit on Saturday, October 17, 2020 6:51 AM

Another scene of Sovereign Street 1914/19 time.   A Kirkstall & East Seacroft Railway passenger train is about to depart for Kirkstall.  The different heights of coaches was typical of the time.   To get the effect,  the taller coaches are 00 scale the lower one is HO scale.

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Saturday, October 17, 2020 9:36 AM

0-4-0 Tank?

Is that a rolling stock gauge hanging over the right hand line?

The detail you include is really convincing.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Saturday, October 17, 2020 11:17 AM

Lastspikemike

0-4-0 Tank?

Is that a rolling stock gauge hanging over the right hand line?

The detail you include is really convincing.

 

Thanks Lastpikemike.  Your comments are appreciated.

David

Yes it is a rolling stock gauge.  No overloading. Smile

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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, October 18, 2020 11:56 AM

I finally managed to track down some pictures of warehouses typical of around Sovereign Street, Leeds.  Hopefully they now bring an enclosed, almost claustrophobic feel to the area as I remember as a young lad of seven or eight years of age.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, October 19, 2020 5:32 AM

Signalling still needs to be done at Sovereign Street.   I haven't seen the ones I actually want.   Most of our model shops/stores are low on most items since lockdown.

 

Leaving Leeds Sovereign Street Station we come to The Calls Junction.  The first line to the left is to Roseville Station and stations to Wetherby and York northwards.  The far line goes to Dewsbury & Wakefield and the south and west.

The picture was taken when the new track had been laid.  Scenery has been tidied up since.

 

Happy modeling.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, October 19, 2020 10:25 AM

I like the detail in your layout. But I have to admit I'm a bit overwhelmed. Having no experience in your part of the world, I have no frame of reference. I for one could use an aerial view of your layout, or even a track plan, but I understand how that would spoil the illusion you are creating. 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, October 19, 2020 11:25 AM

SpaceMouse

I like the detail in your layout. But I have to admit I'm a bit overwhelmed. Having no experience in your part of the world, I have no frame of reference. I for one could use an aerial view of your layout, or even a track plan, but I understand how that would spoil the illusion you are creating. 

 

Hi Chip.     Here is a rough plan of the layout.   It is 11ft by 8ft approx.   

Originally the layout ran  from where Clarence Dock is and was (what we call) the fiddle yard.  (The rest of the UK.)   The line  ran  round past Crown Point Yard to Sovereign Street.   Another line was added from a junction to run through Roseville Station to The Calls Junction and Sovereign Street.  I could not get the line to end at the fiddle yard, so a junction was made,   (Here in the UK space is a premium.Smile)  

Then I built the bridge, which can lift off for access to the room.   The line over the bridge made a continuous circuit;  to the joy of the grandchildren. Laugh

I then wanted a harbor.   Leeds is well inland, so the only thing that could resemble a harbor was Clarence Dock.   The bridge has now become the fiddle yard

When running steam trains Crown Point Yard is a Goods Yard

When running diesels  Crown Point becomes a diesel shed.

In real life Crown Point was actually so.

I hope that all makes sense.

By the way the numbers at Sovereign Street are businesses at the yard.  The letters next to Marston's Yard are buildings in the small Industrial Estate.

David

 

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, October 19, 2020 11:34 AM

The bridge,  built long before  Clarence Dock

It was as an entry to a competition and is still in operation.  (No I did not win.)

 

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Posted by NVSRR on Monday, October 19, 2020 1:10 PM

That is nicely done.   Love to see more as you progress on the work.  I dont think I have ever seen a layout based on three eras at the same time. Definitely a new idea.  They are close enough that a lot of details wont change much too.   It is also nice to see stuff from accross the pond.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, October 19, 2020 1:59 PM

NVSRR

That is nicely done.   Love to see more as you progress on the work.  I dont think I have ever seen a layout based on three eras at the same time. Definitely a new idea.  They are close enough that a lot of details wont change much too.   It is also nice to see stuff from accross the pond.

Shane

 

 
Thanks for your comments, Shane.
 
Sovereign Street and Clarence Dock are both set in 1914/19 era.   Clarence Dock looks like rainfall has just finised (hopefully).  There are puddles everywhere and the ground is wet.   Thick varnish with a piece of plastic over for the puddles.   Coatings of clear varnish   for wet pathways etc.
For Sovereign Street I want to have a covering of snow.
 
The remainder of the layout is modeled as if 1968/78 in summertime.
 
Not only is the layout have three timeframes,  I can run steam trains from Crown Point Yard to Clarence Dock as a separate layout.    It brings a little more variety if I want to have a short running session.
Making it all great fun. Big Smile
 
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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, October 19, 2020 2:27 PM

I know Chip wants a general photo or two of the layout and I promise to take some,  meanwhile here is a photo of two red squirrels, native to the UK.   The real ones are becoming an endangered species as the gray ones 'take over'.  These two reside at Roseville Station garden

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, October 19, 2020 7:00 PM

NorthBrit
Here is a rough plan of the layout.   It is 11ft by 8ft approx.   

The photo is not showing up. I get the following error message:

"These are not the droids you're looking for."

By the way, my U-shaped American Layout is bigger than your Brit space hog, but only on one one penninsula. Overall, it is 8'x13 ft., but the smaller penninsula is only 11 feet.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, October 19, 2020 7:03 PM

NorthBrit
meanwhile here is a photo of two red squirrels, native to the UK. 

A nature writer once described a red squirrel as a cross between a Tasmanian Devil and whatever that is on Trump's head. 

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