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Thanks Guy, I was wondering about the grade % and how much clearance I would be able to attain under the yard and still be able to pull the train up the other side. The problem with a around the walls type plan is how you enter the room. It is a portion of my basement with very low ceilings, the stairs come down then a left turn where I have entrance on the plan. The bottom of the rafters are about 6'1" above the floor so a duckunder is out. Putting benchwork high enough for the duck under would put it too close to the ceiling. A lift out section might be a possibility. The reason I chose this area was it is newer construction with better floors and walls than the 75 + year old rest of the basement. Also because I have never done much more than tack track down with rudimentary scenery so I wanted to keep it possible but not overwhelming and more than a 4x8. A lift out section would end up on a corner and it looks to me to be more difficult to keep allignment with curved track on that section. Perhaps I could cut the corner a bit have track running at a 45 degree angle to the corner and use that to lift out. The other part of the basement has the same low ceilings but an uneven floor and much more typical basement stuff to contend with. Much more room prep and increased difficulty in benchwork construction prompted me to use the smaller area. I will try out an around the walls plan tonight to see what I can come up with, advice on lift out sections will be needed for this idea to work. Thanks, Jay
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