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Tacking Down Loose Track
Posted by RideOnRoad on Thursday, April 9, 2015 5:57 PM

I have some track that popped loose. It was initially installed using caulk, but it would be difficult to try and get caulk underneath. Would diluted white glue work? If has not been ballasted yet.

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Posted by cowman on Thursday, April 9, 2015 6:21 PM

My first thought was, why did it pop loose?  Is it due to the track expanding or too tight on a curve?  You might want to figure that out before trying to fix.

Sectional or flex track?

Next thing is what is under the track; foam, cork roadbed, foam roadbed or plywood?

As for a fix, caulk could be worked under the track with a small putty knife or artist palate knife.  If you choose glue, I think I would use it full strength rather than diluted.  If you have plywood a track nail should help.

Good luck,

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Posted by RideOnRoad on Thursday, April 9, 2015 6:40 PM

Okay, truth be told, I was responsible for it popping up. The bend was a little to sharp for my taste so I wanted to make it a little more gradual. It is Peco flex track on top of cork roadbed (on top of 1" foam, on top of 1/4" plywood). I am not moving the roadbed, just the track. (I have some room to play with the way the roadbed was laid.) I will try to work a little caulk in using a putty knife.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Thursday, April 9, 2015 10:28 PM

I use WS foam roadbed on top of pink foam.  When it comes time to fasten the track down, I get out a box of paper clips and use a pair of pliers to straighten them out into a U shape.  I push this elongated U down over a single tie, through the roadbed and into the foam.  This gives me a solid but still removeable track positioning.  I have left my track like this for months, sometimes even years, before I got around to ballasting.  Normally I pick it up and white glue it down, but sometimes I just ballast the pinned track in place, and finally pull up the paper clips U's.  It works fine.

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Posted by SLC RR on Friday, April 10, 2015 8:29 AM

Putting down the ballast then the diluted white glue should hold it in place.  For better holding, drill a small pilot through a tie or two and force a slightly larger brad or pin through it and into your base.  The second option works well if there is plywood under there somewhere.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Friday, April 10, 2015 10:32 AM

LION tacked track directly to the pink foam. Well nobody told him that it would not hold nails, but him found that out soon enough. But LION is a smart beast, and him figures nails do not need to hold the track down (gravity can do that), all the nails need to do is to keep the track from sliding around, and that it did do for more than five years, until the LION mounted magnets on the bottom of his trains to work the reed switch detectors. Then all of the nails came out.

LION then took a bottle of Elmer's glue ran a bead down the middle of the tracks, being sure to put a spot of glue on each (remaining) nail head. Worked purrfectly.

 

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Posted by rrebell on Friday, April 10, 2015 1:41 PM

RideOnRoad

Okay, truth be told, I was responsible for it popping up. The bend was a little to sharp for my taste so I wanted to make it a little more gradual. It is Peco flex track on top of cork roadbed (on top of 1" foam, on top of 1/4" plywood). I am not moving the roadbed, just the track. (I have some room to play with the way the roadbed was laid.) I will try to work a little caulk in using a putty knife.

 

Just ACC it, did the same thing on a curve that ended up being too tight. T-pin the outside where you want it (I do this by catching the outside ties so I can run a train to make sure it is right). When it looks good I ACC between the inner ties with the liquid type ACC. Didn't more in the year or so till I ballasted!

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Posted by RideOnRoad on Friday, April 10, 2015 3:51 PM

rrebell

. . .Just ACC it. . .

Okay, novice question: ACC?

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Posted by softail86mark on Friday, April 10, 2015 4:04 PM

RideOnRoad

 

 
rrebell

. . .Just ACC it. . .

 

 

Okay, novice question: ACC?

 

CA, super glue. Many different consistenties and set-up times. (Older designation, alpha cyanoacrylate cement, ACC)

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Friday, April 10, 2015 4:06 PM

Krazy glue.

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Posted by RideOnRoad on Saturday, April 11, 2015 10:19 AM

Ah, "CA" I knew, "ACC" was new to me.

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Posted by rrebell on Saturday, April 11, 2015 10:59 AM

RideOnRoad

Ah, "CA" I knew, "ACC" was new to me.

 

People tend to drop the first letter which designates the type of CA if I remember right.

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Posted by mlehman on Saturday, April 11, 2015 11:56 AM

If movement underneath popped things loose, the CA may also break loose over time. It's rigid when set.

I use a product called E-6000 that works well for gluing track down that is just setting there. Much of my hidden track is held down with it, as it's just a lot easier than spiking it. E-6000 is somewhat self leveling, so it tends to spread nicely to engulf around the ties; just don't put down too much at once, because it levels so much then its viscosity keeps it from getting thinner.

I have hidden track down for well over a decade now and had zero issues with it. It bonds well to cork. You'd have to test it on foam, but I suspect it's not foam safe. Really needs a day or more to set up, so plenty of working time to adjust the track, but you'll need to pin it in place sometimes, as the E-6000 doesn't grab immediately. Best thing is that it stays flexible, which is a good property to have over cork in any case.

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Posted by Bayfield Transfer Railway on Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:52 PM

Homasote and spikes.

 

Disclaimer:  This post may contain humor, sarcasm, and/or flatulence.

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Posted by RideOnRoad on Sunday, April 12, 2015 4:57 AM

I figured I should report back in. For the first time, I did not directly follow the advice received from the more experienced, and decided to venture out on my own. I used some diluted white glue, diluted just enough to be able to use a brush to apply it below the track. I used some full soda cans to weigh down the track while the glue dried completely and, lo and behold, it worked! I do not plan to make a habit of ignoring your counsel, but on this rare occasion, I got lucky.

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, April 12, 2015 6:41 AM

Richard, that is, indeed, a creative solution. I have often considered a diluted matte medium mix as an alternative to caulk to hold down track.  If you need to remove it, simply apply some isopropyl alcohol.

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Posted by softail86mark on Monday, April 13, 2015 12:38 AM

RideOnRoad

I figured I should report back in. For the first time, I did not directly follow the advice received from the more experienced, and decided to venture out on my own. I used some diluted white glue, diluted just enough to be able to use a brush to apply it below the track. I used some full soda cans to weigh down the track while the glue dried completely and, lo and behold, it worked! I do not plan to make a habit of ignoring your counsel, but on this rare occasion, I got lucky.

 

Ride On,

Just remember to NOT glue the pop cans to the track...

Don't ask how I came to this realization. ..

Mark 

P.S. does "RideOnRoad" mean you ride on 2 wheels? Because that's OK by me...(yes, I ride)

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Posted by bogp40 on Monday, April 13, 2015 7:35 AM

At least it wasn't "beer" cans. You need to drink the beer as the glue is setting up!

Good to hear you found a solution.

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Posted by RideOnRoad on Monday, April 13, 2015 4:07 PM

softail86mark

. . .P.S. does "RideOnRoad" mean you ride on 2 wheels? Because that's OK by me...(yes, I ride). . .

Given your "Softtail" handle, I am guessing you ride with a motor between your legs. I am strictly pedal-power for my two-wheel adventures.

Richard

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