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My 17x4 layout!
Posted by Antoine L. on Friday, September 12, 2014 8:20 AM

Hi people

I am happy to present some results of my work. I've been working on this layout for around 8 months now. It is a 17x4 island table with a hidden staging yard under it. Now I'm just 29 and I do not have extensive experience such as most of you. But I feel proud of my work, even if it is not finished yet. I am not the owner of the house, I rent it, therefore many things I have done are planned to ultimately recover/salvage for when I move to my own house, one day. Now here are things to consider, that I have to tell you beforehand. I know my layout's flaws. 

1- I have not weathered my tracks (for salvage purposes)

2- I have no airbrush. 

3- Road asphalt is too dark. Sidewalks are too high

4- No guard rails on bridge.

5- Some visible glue spots.

6- White castle restaurant unfinished.

I would appreciate your comments since I'm not an expert and always trying to learn. 

 

Here are a few specs: 

Rails: Atlas NS Code 100 (turnouts are all snap switch #4 (I'm on a budget)
Minimum Radius: 18"
Powerpack: MRC Tech 4 220 DC
Table: 17x4
Roadnames: Wisconsin Central, St-Lawrence and Atlantic, CN
Style: Freelanced: continuous

Pictures!

 

Waiting for feedback!

Thank you all!

 

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Posted by carl425 on Friday, September 12, 2014 8:26 AM

Your modeling looks great.  I think your photography could use some work.  You need to use a small aperature (high f-stop) to increase your depth of field.  This will require a tripod or some other form of support for the camera.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, September 12, 2014 8:44 AM

I like it.  The urban modeling is particularly good.

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Posted by cowman on Friday, September 12, 2014 8:58 AM

Looks like you are off to a good start.

Many folks don't weather their track.  You could also use paint markers which are easy to go over spots should you need to after you reconfigure your track.

Just say your roads have just gotten a fresh coat of asphault, they could be nearly black. 

I have been in some places that had very high sidewalks, but it's a place to think about making improvements when you move or change the area.

Guard rails, some do, some don't.  If the looks bother you, it shouldn't be to hard to take a section of rail, bend the ends a little and glue in place.

Glue spots happen.  The more experience you have the fewer will show up.

A layout is never done, as we can always keep making improvements.  Granted there is a point where everything is up and running, scenicked and all, many call this finished. You can always go beck, improve areas with improved skills, add details or make changes if desired.

Have fun,

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Friday, September 12, 2014 12:24 PM

It looks pretty good to me.  A word of caution:  Some equipment will not deal well with 18" curves.  As long as your circumstances require you to stay with 4 foot depth, Check the minimum curve requirements for any stock or power that you plan to buy.

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Posted by Antoine L. on Friday, September 12, 2014 12:45 PM

Thank you! I indeed need to work on my photography haha. 

As for the 18 inches curve I've checked. Everything rolls all good in all the curves. I am more concerned about snap switches #4. Ugh..... painful. 

:)

 

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Posted by Doughless on Friday, September 12, 2014 10:35 PM

Your modeling looks good...way too good for those trees in the second pic...if you get my drift.

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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Saturday, September 13, 2014 1:37 AM
Try not to be too critical of your work (I need to listen to my own advice☺) I think your layout looks fine, remember to enjoy yourself. Keep posting pics.
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Posted by mobilman44 on Saturday, September 13, 2014 5:49 AM

Nice job!  

I would weather the track some, however.   Salvage value will be affected in a very, very minor way, if at all.

ENJOY  !

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, September 13, 2014 6:39 AM

Santa Fe all the way!
Try not to be too critical of your work (I need to listen to my own advice☺) I think your layout looks fine, remember to enjoy yourself. Keep posting pics.

Ditto. 

Keep having fun, Cheers, the Bear.

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Posted by rogerhensley on Saturday, September 13, 2014 6:40 AM

Doughless

Your modeling looks good...way too good for those trees in the second pic...if you get my drift.

 

 
You obviously have not been to the southeast. Kudzo (the vine) has taken over almost everything, and that photo looks just like it. :-)

 

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:23 AM

In some places they are hiring goats to eat the Kudzu.

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:29 AM

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Posted by carl425 on Saturday, September 13, 2014 10:12 AM

Phoebe Vet
Has anyone tried to model Kudzu?

Alton Brown (Food Network dude) claims it makes a great salad.

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Posted by AltonFan on Saturday, September 13, 2014 10:23 AM

Generally, a good looking layout. My only suggestion is that you give your figures a flat finish (dullcote or equivalent) before putting them on the layout. Automobiles can also use some light weathering. Would be glad to see more pictures.

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Saturday, September 13, 2014 12:34 PM

carl425
 
Phoebe Vet
Has anyone tried to model Kudzu?

Alton Brown (Food Network dude) claims it makes a great salad.

Several localities have Kuzu festivals.

http://kudzufest.net/ 

 

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, September 13, 2014 1:26 PM

 If you're using Snap Switches - no worries. If your equipment handles the 18" radius curves, it will handle the Snap Switches, because they aren;t really #4, they are curved to fit in as replacements for sectional curves and straights. They are the length of a typical 9" straight track, and with the little extra curve piece they include with them, can repalce an 18" radius curve piece.

 The Atlas Custom Line turnouts are the ones with true numbered frogs, #4 and $6, although the actual dimensions on the #4 make it really a #4.5, and the tightest part of it, the closure rail radius, is approximately 22", so when using Custom Line #4's, the tightest curves will still be the 18: radius curve tracks, not the turnouts.

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Posted by Antoine L. on Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:48 AM

Thank you everyone for your comments, I appreciate the feedback. I am not sure about the kudzu part haha. 

I will apply dull coat it's a good idea. As for the turnouts, I already have issue with some cars and locos badly handling the frog even if the turnouts are in perfect shape. all my cars have intermountain metal wheels, therefore I only suspect the curves after the turnout to be a bit banked, unoticeable, and it pulls the car in the frog. I don't know, I'll have to either live with it for now and have better trackwork in the next layout, or work on these right now and have fun with the layout while it lasts. 

 

Not all the tracks are soldered together for salavage purpose, that's why I don't want to weather them since i'll solder them on the next layout. 

 

By the way, atlas code 100, do they have an interesting longevity?

 

Thank you everyone. 

 

antoine

 

 

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Posted by NeO6874 on Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:10 AM

Antoine L.

Thank you everyone for your comments, I appreciate the feedback. I am not sure about the kudzu part haha. 

I will apply dull coat it's a good idea. As for the turnouts, I already have issue with some cars and locos badly handling the frog even if the turnouts are in perfect shape. all my cars have intermountain metal wheels, therefore I only suspect the curves after the turnout to be a bit banked, unoticeable, and it pulls the car in the frog. I don't know, I'll have to either live with it for now and have better trackwork in the next layout, or work on these right now and have fun with the layout while it lasts. 

 

Could be that, though I recall that the frogs & guardrails on the snap switches are pretty loose with the NMRA guidelines (and sometimes not all that "flat") -- check them out with a track gauge and file/shim them as necessary to get the clearances a little tighter.

Some slop is OK, but too much, and things won't get aligned properly.

 

Antoine L.

Not all the tracks are soldered together for salavage purpose, that's why I don't want to weather them since i'll solder them on the next layout. 

 

By the way, atlas code 100, do they have an interesting longevity?

 

c100 will last forever and a day.  Though, on your next layout, you might find that you prefer c83 (or even c70) as it's closer to scale size rail (somewhat dependant on era, although a shortline such as the WSOR may continue running on existing 90 or 100 pound rail even though class 1 railroads are currently using 130+ pound rail on their mainlines.)

 

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Posted by tomkat-13 on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:59 PM

On your people trim off all most all of the clear square base just leaving their shoes then use Aleene's Tacky glue to stand them. This glue makes it easy to move them if you want to.

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Posted by dominic c on Friday, September 19, 2014 8:24 PM

Very nice but maybe you should think of placing lights on the outside of the buildings. For instance, a row of lights along the dock underneath the awning. And lights above the garage door or smaller door. And make that dock a working dock with employees and crates etc. Here, this is an example of what I mean. I posted this a while back. Highlight the link then right click and then select "go to http............

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Posted by NeO6874 on Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:20 AM

dominic c

 
Nice setup!  fixed that link for you, so it can just be clicked on. Smile

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Posted by dominic c on Saturday, September 20, 2014 7:57 AM

Thanks

I tried so hard but just couldnt figured it out. I dont want to throw the tread in aother direction, but how do you make the link work?

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Posted by rrebell on Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:40 AM

Antoine L.

Thank you everyone for your comments, I appreciate the feedback. I am not sure about the kudzu part haha. 

I will apply dull coat it's a good idea. As for the turnouts, I already have issue with some cars and locos badly handling the frog even if the turnouts are in perfect shape. all my cars have intermountain metal wheels, therefore I only suspect the curves after the turnout to be a bit banked, unoticeable, and it pulls the car in the frog. I don't know, I'll have to either live with it for now and have better trackwork in the next layout, or work on these right now and have fun with the layout while it lasts. 

 

Not all the tracks are soldered together for salavage purpose, that's why I don't want to weather them since i'll solder them on the next layout. 

 

By the way, atlas code 100, do they have an interesting longevity?

 

Thank you everyone. 

 

antoine

 

 

 

Now is your chance to learn how to make turnouts work perfectly, even yours. You can always file and add thin styrene till you get them right. I use Shinohara turnouts and I had an old one that I didn't notice and being code 70, I had to trim all the spike heads as ones being made at this time were too tall by a hair. Had a buddy rebuild the frog of an Atlas with styrene.

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Posted by NeO6874 on Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:20 PM

dominic c

Thanks

I tried so hard but just couldnt figured it out. I dont want to throw the tread in aother direction, but how do you make the link work?

Joe C

 

 

There's probably a couple of different ways witht htese forums, but I like writing out the tags myself ...

 

take the URL (e.g. "www.trains.com") and wrap it in the [ url ] tags like this:

[ url="http://www.trains.com" ] Link Text [ /url] ... now, I added the spaces so you could see what I meant.  Doing it "right" does this -- Link Text

 

And to get back on topic ... 

Before shimming, etc. with the turnouts, check all the clearances with your NMRA gauge, and then compare what you're seeing against the NMRA RP dimensions (link takes you to the index -- you'll need 13.x and maybe a few others) and fix as necessary.

 

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Posted by jmbjmb on Saturday, September 20, 2014 7:05 PM

As I recall, way back around 84, MR did an article on modeling the SR Murphy Branch where they did try to model kudzu for the cover shot and had a short article on how they did it.

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Posted by Antoine L. on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:17 AM

rrebell
Now is your chance to learn how to make turnouts work perfectly, even yours. You can always file and add thin styrene till you get them right. I use Shinohara turnouts and I had an old one that I didn't notice and being code 70, I had to trim all the spike heads as ones being made at this time were too tall by a hair. Had a buddy rebuild the frog of an Atlas with styrene.

 

Yes, indeed. I did some work on my faulty snap switch yesterday and it seems to be working better but still not perfect. 

This is mostly a learning project. I am sooooooo eager to buy a house. I can't wait. But I do not have the money yet so bascially I'm not putting any more money into the layout and will salvage most of it. I may keep the snap switches for a staging yard but I will definetely go for better turnouts such as Peco for the next layout. Also it won't be an island. I had to build an island style layout in my current place because the walls in the basement are rocks and the cement is dry and falling apart (old place). I didn't want to cover the walls to make a background, nor have cement crumbling all over the tracks... even if it would kind of add some dramatic effect!

Thanks!

 

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Posted by Bluegill1 on Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:09 AM

Very Nice

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