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Combination of Homosote, Micro Engineering Turnouts,and a Totoise

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Combination of Homosote, Micro Engineering Turnouts,and a Totoise
Posted by WyeMe on Monday, December 29, 2008 1:22 PM

I have now at the point of my track building that I am installing the Tortoise slo -mo's underneath the sub roadbed. After all of the turnouts I have done (4) 1of them worked without a flaw, 1 works after "shimming" the ties on either side of the throw bar, and 1 switches to one side and not the other. The 4th one? Well we won’t go into that. To me, the throw bars move pretty freely, but the tension in the spring wire is not enough to throw the "locking mechanism" in the Micro Engineering #6 Turnouts. I am using homosote for the roadbed. But truthfully after permanently installing them on to the layout, I made certain that there was a free action to the throw bar. Does anyone have any ideas? I thought about maybe shooting some Kadee® Grease ‘Em in there but I would think that may be only a temporary fix.

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Posted by jrbernier on Monday, December 29, 2008 1:46 PM

  IIRC, M-E turnouts have an internal point locking spring.  That may be causing some of the problem.  I would substitute the .025 music wire supplied with .031(or greater) music wire.  I would not put any lube in hte turnout point area.  Kadee® Grease ‘Em is electrically conductive!  The next item is a 'precision' Tortoise install:

  • Mark & drill a 3/4" hole through the Homasote/subroadbed directly under the throwbar.
  • Measure out about 8" down the turnout and drill a 1/16" hole through the Homasote/subroadbed.
  • From under the layout, Use a straight edge and draw a line between the center of the 3/4" hole and the 1/16" hole.  This will give you something accurate to measure from.  I use the paper template supplied with the Tortoise and mark the 4 mounting holes, and drill them for #4 wood screws.
  • I spike the turnout 'dead center' and then run the assembled/centered Tortoise up through the throwbar and run a couple of the scrws in th 'hild' the Tortoise. 
  • Remove the spikes and 'adjust' the Tortoise mounting so the the points are dead center.  Add/tighten the screws.

  Depending on the mounting scenerio, it takes anywhere from 5 minutes to 30 minutes(bad day) to mount a Tortoise.  Once installed - they are 'bullet proof'.  You want to drill the holes before you lay the turnout.  Pull the turnout if installed before drilling.  I was very careful and destroyed a curved turnout because I did not take 5 minutes to take it out first!

Jim Bernier

Modeling BNSF  and Milwaukee Road in SW Wisconsin

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Posted by WyeMe on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:06 AM

Thanks for the tips. Unfortunately since the turnouts are already mounted to the layout permanently with the ¼” holes drilled directly under the throw bar, going through the steps you indicated may not be an option. Unless, it is a last resort. I will, however, try the thicker wire.  I found out that when the turnout fails, I can just tap the turnout, and it will throw. So if I use the thicker wire it may be just what I need to get over the top. The remaining tortoises I install, however I will take the time to at least draw a center line.  Again thanks for your help.

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Posted by Sperandeo on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:33 PM
Hello "WyeMe," I like to use an even thicker wire on the Tortoise than Jim Bernier recommended, .047". You have to drill out the holes with a no. 55 bit, but the stiffer wire makes it very easy to adjust the installation for reliable operation. I'd also recommend removing the Micro Engineering toggle spring, as it really serves no purpose once you have the turnout powered by a Tortoise. Happy New Year, Andy

Andy Sperandeo MODEL RAILROADER Magazine

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Posted by WyeMe on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:58 PM

Ok is it possible to remove the spring while it is on the layout? Most of the turnouts I have , are already installed on the layout. If so Where is the spring located? I have .032 in wire coming, if this does not work I will go with the beefier variety. Happy New Year to you as well!

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Posted by WyeMe on Thursday, January 8, 2009 7:08 AM

Hey guys!

I just wanted to say my Tortoise woes are over and it is full steam ahead for installing the rest of my turnouts. Thanks for all of the input. I went with the .032 gauge wire and it was enough to get me over the edge. What was an added bonus, I only need to drill one hole in the swing am of the Tortoise. The holes for the fulcrum and the throw bar of the turnout were a perfect fit. Thanks again.

 

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