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Problem with a turnout.

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Problem with a turnout.
Posted by NSlover92 on Saturday, November 1, 2008 7:01 PM

 Hey, guys I have a heck of a problem with a turnout since i couldn't ever describe it I have two short videos of how the loco acts going across it attached. Thanks Guys I really appreciate it. Mike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIUHAy0PtUM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1m9woz0VDw

 

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Posted by loathar on Saturday, November 1, 2008 7:13 PM

Is it shorting out when it stops? Or just not getting power? Are those Atlas turnouts?

Take a q-tip with some alcohol or goof off and clean the inside of the rails where the point rails contact the stock rails. Make sure you have good clean contact surfaces. Take an electric meter and check to if your getting power through your point rails.
Is it just that one loco that stops? Does it have 8 wheel drive and electric pick up? I would think if it had 8 wheel pick up, it would make through the point rails even if they were electrically dead. Make sure all 8 wheels are picking up power.

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Posted by NSlover92 on Saturday, November 1, 2008 9:26 PM

It is shorting and that is what causes it to stop, they are getting power well they would have to if they are shorting, they are shinohara's. I have them all insulated so thats not it. They are clean on the contact points, I cleaned them already with alcohol. Well actully it is a SD it has 16 wheel pick up and drive, and all of the are picking up. Thanks Mike

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Posted by selector on Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:38 PM

It appears that you have power-routing turnouts that cause a short once the engine begins to transition to the diverging route...is this so?  Maybe your parallel route is wired incorrectly, or else your next turnout that allows access to that track is wired incorrectly?  Or have you powered the rails between those two turnouts with feeders and have them backwards?

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Posted by NSlover92 on Sunday, November 2, 2008 12:54 AM

If you notice the weird thing is it works when i diverges to the other line but when it goes straight as if to continue on the same line it shorts... I believe all the wiring as I disconected every feeder seperatly while the engine was shorting to see if removing one fixed it, it didn't. Thanks Mike

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Posted by markpierce on Sunday, November 2, 2008 1:59 AM

NSlover92

If you notice the weird thing is it works when i diverges to the other line but when it goes straight as if to continue on the same line it shorts... I believe all the wiring as I disconected every feeder seperatly while the engine was shorting to see if removing one fixed it, it didn't. Thanks Mike

Unfortunately, many if not most mass-produced turnouts don't meet NMRA specifications.  Perhaps this is why some modelers make their own turnouts rather than spending time trying to fix the manufacturers' product.

One other consideration is the size of the locomotives and other rolling stock versus the sharpness of the turnout.  See NMRA's website for recommendations.  Also, check the wheel gauge of the problem models to see if they conform to NMRA standards.

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Posted by baron9 on Sunday, November 2, 2008 4:58 PM

 I too was having trouble with my Broadway-Limited AC6000,everytime it went over a switch{yes Atlas} the engine would stall. I couldnt figure out what was wrong after checking all that I could I returned it to Broadway-Limited and several weeks later they told me there was nothing wrong with it. They installed a new decoder and sent it back. The same problem continued and I sent it back a second time. What they said was that the rear trucks were out of alignment and that not all the wheels were making contact with the rails. They sent it back and it works fine. Just another thing to check.

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Posted by NSlover92 on Monday, November 3, 2008 12:18 AM

 I will look into the trucks being out of alignment because strangly it works with all my other locos. Thanks Mike

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Posted by cordon on Monday, November 3, 2008 6:10 PM

Smile

It looks to me that the forward left wheels of the engine are shorting between the left side stock rail and the left side point rail as the engine proceeds from right to left in the video when the turnout is set for the normal (straight) direction.  This could happen if the Shinohara turnout has both point rails connected together, which would provide an electrical path from one point rail to the other.

On a turnout where the point rails are electrically connected the train wheels must not touch the point rail that they are not riding on, if they are metal wheels.

Possible fixes are to make sure the wheels have the proper gauge so they don't make the undesired contact, modify the points so there is more clearance between the unused point and its stock rail, or create insulating gaps and re-wire the turnout so that each point rail is electrically connected to its closest stock rail, like an Atlas turnout.  This site (http://www.nasg.org/smodtuwi.html) may help on the re-wiring.

Smile   Smile

 

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Posted by NSlover92 on Monday, November 3, 2008 11:08 PM

 No I don't have a NMRA gauge. I need to get one, Mike

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Posted by loathar on Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:19 PM

I watched your vid again. Are you sure your coupler trip pin isn't hanging too low and shorting out on your point rails?? It seems to stop right when the pin is over the point rail when going straight.

A cheap machinist dial caliper can be used to check your track and wheel gauge if you can't get an NMRA gauge. Check the NMRA site for the proper standards specs.

http://www.nmra.org/standards/sandrp/consist.html

 

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