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Walthers "New" Turntables - Discovery

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Walthers "New" Turntables - Discovery
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:42 PM

I know, there have been a lot of discussions already on the new Walthers RTR turntables so I thought I would add one of my own.  My observations are based on the 90' version but probably apply to both.

I had always thought (read) that the thickness of the lip of this turntable matched the thickness of the ties for Walthers/Shinohara track.  I was therefore taken aback when I installed this turntable and then dropped a section of Walters (code 83) track on the rim (less ties of course) and found that the adjacent ties were up in the air.

Since this was such a departure to what I had been reading I pulled out my digital caliper and here is what I found:

Thickness of turntable lip plastic =  0.079
Thickness of overall lip due to some amount of warp or angle from pit edge = 0.084

Thickness of Walthers code 83 ties = 0.059 - 0.062

Thickness of Atlas code 83 ties = 0.084 - 0.086

Thickness of Peco code 83 ties = 0.078 - 0.080

All measurements are averages of measurements taken in a number of locations.

SO...

  1. Walthers ties are actually two one hundredths (0.020) too thin to mate with the turntable lip without some up-hill slope of the rails at the lip (or fill under the ties).
  2. Atlas track is really not that far off.  Only slight sanding would be required.
  3. Peco track is "right-on."

Of course I don't know when my turntable was manufactured.  Tooling may have changed over time.  It was recently purchased but may have been old stock.  I see what appear to be serial or run numbers on the packing box but they are probably meaningless. 

At any case, I thought I would pass this along...for what its worth.  Of course your mileage may differ.

-John

p.s. I have not worried about installing the bridge yet or checking rail heights between bridge and service tracks.  That will come.  Hopefully code 83 rail is still code 83 rail.

 

 

 

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Posted by Lillen on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:46 PM

Thanks for the info!  That was just what I needed. I ordered the 120´ version yesterday for my next layout and I'm still not 100% sure on what track to use. I've been wondering about the thickness of Peco track. You wouldn't happen to know the height of ME track or Fast track turnouts in comparison?

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:09 PM
 Lillen wrote:

You wouldn't happen to know the height of ME track or Fast track turnouts in comparison?

Magnus

I don't know about ME track but Fast Track specs say their ties (twist ties or individual) are 0.080 - essentially the same as Peco.

-John

 

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Posted by Lillen on Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:44 AM
 rustyrails wrote:
 Lillen wrote:

You wouldn't happen to know the height of ME track or Fast track turnouts in comparison?

Magnus

I don't know about ME track but Fast Track specs say their ties (twist ties or individual) are 0.080 - essentially the same as Peco.

-John

 

 

Thanks a lot! Why didn't I think of that. Or more correctly, I have checked it before and totally forgot about it. Thank you very much. This will help me decide between ME or Peco. I can get peco for 4$ a piece and ME for roughly 9$ plus shipping on both. Shipping feom the UK is cheaper to, decision time soon.

 

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Posted by R. T. POTEET on Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:38 PM

. . . . . . . . . . and your problem is?

You said


. . . . . or fill under the ties . . . . .


and

. . . . . only slight sanding would be required . . . . .


It seems safe to me that considering the measurements you describe that you are either going to have to fill or sand to get things to work.

Welcome to the fantastic world of model railroading!

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:38 PM

 R. T. POTEET wrote:

. . . . . . . . . . and your problem is?

It seems safe to me that considering the measurements you describe that you are either going to have to fill or sand to get things to work.

No problem -- just reporting the facts. 

Actually I am not going to do either.  I am going to lower the turntable.  A small amount of sanding of the layout base under the lip of the turntable will bring the lip down to match the Walthers/Shinohara track.

I have a lot of Walthers track left over from a previous layout that I plan to use in this area.  Using Walthers track saves me a lot of ballast in an engine service are such as this where almost everything is buried in ballast and cinders.

0.020 difference in tie height X 980 square inches in the service/turntable/roundhouse area = 20 cubic inches of ballast saved.

Thanks,
-John

 

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