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Simple track plan for first room sized layout

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Simple track plan for first room sized layout
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:43 PM

deleted because of tired of people saying go read this guys book

 

Sorry I tried to show an idea!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:59 PM

Okay, it's a good start but I have some concerns. First of all you have a lot of space, but all your turns are 9 3/4 and your turnouts are #4s so you won't be running any 6 axle stuff. That severely limits what you can model.

You have a lot of small "yards" but the yard tracks are all very short. The longest look to hold maybe 5 cars.  

The one big "yard" has the main line, an A/D track and one yard track. The other is needed for access to the smaller "yards."

I guess the main thing is that there doesn't seem to be a cohesive theme. Maybe you could tell us what you have in mind as to how it operates.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:12 PM

A couple of things I noted.

  1. Throw in some "cosmetic" curves.  Everything looks too straight and linear.  Your center area, for example, would be a great place for the front track to make one big sweeping curve from the left side wing to the right side wing.  A town or industries could then in the front center.
  2. Move your yard to the front and your running tracks to the rear (possibly behind a row of buildings).  Otherwise you will be less than happy trying to reach over and switch cars in the yard.

Also check your grid or room size.  I count 8 1/2 squares horizontally and 9 1/2 squares vertically.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:43 AM

I would suggest you get John Armstrong's book Track Planning for Realistic Operation.  It's an excellent book on track planning. 

Your layout is not bad for a relatively uncluttered approach to a railfan layout with possibilities for a little switching.  A couple of points: having the yard on the back side puts many turnouts far from the layout edge which makes maintenance difficult.  Second your yard is part of the mainline so you can not switch the yard while running a train.  John's book above has an excellent section on model railroad yards.

Enjoy

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:47 PM

The turns are actually 16" radius...for some reason the true grid pattern did not copy over???  Look at the pic and you can see how the grid is not even either!  Freeware sucks!Angry [:(!]

The turnouts are all #5's customs...but I might end up going to a 6.

The top left two miniyards will serve a petrochemical plant which makes plastic pellets...with the two lower ones for empty and loaded petro tank cars and the upper two for loaded and empty hoppers...

The lower left yard is for unknown right now as well as the one on the other side small yard.  Location on those are just general right now.

The large yard was moved to the back simply to allow more room for staging and shuffling...putting it onto the front track will require a lot of loss of track length.  There are three staging tracks with access to a car shop at the lower end of the run around and access to the engine shop and service at the top of the run around.  You have to look close but there is actually 5 tracks there.

The top middle will be curved...couldnt figure out how to do it on the program because it does not allow cutting of flextrack...freeware is not easyware!

 

Oh forgot to mention...this will be N scale...not HO!

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Posted by ndbprr on Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:02 PM
I noticed that all your industrial leads face in basically the same direction with nowhere near them for the engine to run around and spot cars.  You may want to consider passing tracks near those areas to allow run around moves closer to where the cars would be spotted.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:42 PM

The main or normal direction of travel allows the mainline to back directly to the siding...so a run around is not needed...

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:52 PM
 EyesOfFreedom wrote:

The main or normal direction of travel allows the mainline to back directly to the siding...so a run around is not needed...

So you train only runs one direction?

A 16 " radius turn would take 33" to make a U turn like your's. It would take up a third of your layout. Your radii are more like 8 or 9".

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:57 PM
 SpaceMouse wrote:
 EyesOfFreedom wrote:

The main or normal direction of travel allows the mainline to back directly to the siding...so a run around is not needed...

So you train only runs one direction?

A 16 " radius turn would take 33" to make a U turn like your's. It would take up a third of your layout. Your radii are more like 8 or 9".

 

???

Radius is a quarter of a circle...

Diameter of a u-turn (half a circle) is 32".  The layout is sectional, at 36" wide and sections are 3' long except one is 4' long.  The room is 9 foot wide so there is a 3' isle in the middle...

 

As for direction the mainline is simply a modified loop so it will basically be going one direction...yes.

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Posted by PLSWJR on Friday, March 21, 2008 4:50 AM
If your curve radius is 16" then the grid is on 24" centers. Left to right the curved portions add up to 96", this does not allow for the straight section in the middle.
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Posted by SpaceMouse on Friday, March 21, 2008 8:14 AM

As for direction the mainline is simply a modified loop so it will basically be going one direction...yes.
 

Railroads usually come and go. If you design your layout like a railroad it will run like a railroad. It you design it like a toy,it will run like a toy.

If you have not done so, it might be an idea to read my beginner's guide clickable from my signature. It will take you about 5 minutes to read.

Also there was recently a design contest for a 10 x 12 room. It is a little larger than what you have, but many of the designs in N scale will work for you. Certainly all the HO scale designs will work.

http://www.chipengelmann.com/Trains/10x12Contest.html

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Posted by ARTHILL on Friday, March 21, 2008 9:25 AM
This is similar to what I did in HO. I wish now I would have done double track so I could run trains in both directions and had them pass.
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Posted by Johnnny_reb on Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:12 AM

SpaceMouse

I take my hat off to you sir. Your beginners guide to layout design is outstanding. You have given me much to think about, especially staging. As I have three of six modules built and as I type, the thought of a helix in module six at this point would seem to be the way to drop down to staging under module five has begun to creep into my mind. Yep, that'll work. A simple helix in module six leading to staging under module five. Opps! Module four is already built! Not a problem, just add a second level to module four. Shock [:O]Wow!! [wow] (that was close I started to sweat there for a second) 

Ok! Change in plans, add lower second level to modules four and five. Build a helix as module six to lead down to staging level, with an industrial park above.

Thanks SpaceMouseBow [bow]

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:37 PM

 

 SpaceMouse wrote:

If you have not done so, it might be an idea to read my beginner's guide clickable from my signature. It will take you about 5 minutes to read.

I have several books on layout planning.  Like I said before this is my third layout...my first room sized plan...I originally posted this to get input on the design and flow...not anything else

 

 PLSWJR wrote:
If your curve radius is 16" then the grid is on 24" centers. Left to right the curved portions add up to 96", this does not allow for the straight section in the middle.

 

Like I said before the grid that is in the pic is not the grid...I dont know why the correct grid did not copy over...the original design grid was 18"...but I saved the pic to a bitmap to upload it to photobucket to post it here and somewhere the grid got retarded!

If you look at the pic...the left side is 3 foot wide and the right side is 3 foot wide leaving a 3 foot isle in the 9 foot wide room

The uturns at the bottom of each side are 32" leaving 2" on each side from the wall and the edge...so that is a 32" diameter or 16" radius curve.  I dont know how to explain it any simpler than that.

 

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