Making of Old Joe

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Making of Old Joe
Posted by chocho willy on Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:37 PM

   While waiting on some Mason Bogie parts I have decided on using the left over parts to build a small side tank industrial tank engine. Took the two cab sections and mated them together and glued the two pieces of leftover roofs together. Found the side tanks from a LGB 2017 engine that came off of Rosy, cut off the tab and started filling in some of the holes. Found that the width of the two coupled with a 1" PVC coupling was the same width as the cab. Added the wood bunker from the original Lionel 0-6-0 to the back and shortened a left over frame from a previous butcher job after modifying it to match the motor housing of a newer 2017 block. Still working on a water filler saddle for the side tanks and but did come across a smoke box front of a 2010 which I added to a plastic hole plug and fits nicely into the 3/4" coupling, Added the fire box left over from the sacrificed Spreewald (Mason Bogie drive) and it starting to com together. Today I added rivet detail to the 2 side tanks and gave a light coat of primer. Rivets are actually 1/2 round 2 mm plastic beads glued to the side of the tanks, time consuming but not near as bad as individual holes for each rivet. Still have to find a motor for the motor block as I bought it without but it was new and unused and in great shape and has all the looks of American valving. Think I'll call this engine "old Joe" will post more as the build moves along. 

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Posted by PVT Kanaka on Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:27 PM
Kid-zilla saw this and says "I want it!" Looking forward to this build, Bill!
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Posted by chocho willy on Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:18 PM

Got a little done on Old Joe, first set of rivets for the boiler, cut the boiler to the to be length, finished the smoke box door, was able to find a rectangle box for the water reservoir and caped it with the hatch cover from an old Bachmann tender. The reservoir will feed the side tanks via some rubber tubing, actually the outer sheath from an electrical cord, this will allow the engine to take on water from the water tank rather than filling each tank separately via a hose. Started size fitting the front bolster and step cowcatcher, I have a LGB cow catcher I could use but being as this suppose to be a small industrial engine I opted for the former. Was able to stumble across so old plastruct vinyl cover wire and a groved bracket to mount it with so I made some air piping for under one of the running boards. tall stackhatch coverair pipingNo the smoke stack isn't going to be square just trying to get an idea on height and that tubing was handy. Found the top to the steam dome just have to cut it to size. Sort of on off building this week trying to get the house ready for guest for thanksgiving of which there will be some little ones, so thought is out of site out of mind, just hope I can remember where I have hidden stuff after wards, more to com, Bill 

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Posted by PVT Kanaka on Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:29 PM
Amazing work as always, Bill!
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Posted by chocho willy on Thursday, November 28, 2019 9:41 AM

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Moving along, decided I would try the rust look using rock salt, didn't quite go like the youtube but good enough. Used an oil base rattle can and think it would have probably worked better using acrylic air brush paint. The problem I had with the oil base was it stuck down the salt too well and wound out having to soak it in water for about 1/2 day and still had to scrape some of it off but it gave the result I was looking for so live and learn, using individual rivets, although a pain to install worked out well , had bought some self stick ones thinking I could bypass the gluing step but that didn't work out either. Found that the beads wouldn't come off the shipping paper and left gooey mess around them and found it very hard to position correctly. Got a little paint on the cab and trying to get it to look like old faded wood, and still have a ways to go. Will up date when I get something else done, Bill

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Posted by PVT Kanaka on Thursday, November 28, 2019 11:56 AM

Seeing this come together and gaining a few more pointers was a good way to start the holiday! Happy Thanksgiving to you, yours, and all those on this site! We are off to the beach! Eric

 

P.S.  Kid-zilla said, "I want that little train!" You have another big fan!

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Posted by chocho willy on Thursday, November 28, 2019 1:17 PM

There are people up north in the mainland thinking bad thoughts about you right now, but being as I'm not one of them Happy Thanksgiving from sunny Florida @ 80 degrees, surf's up, aloha!!!

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Thursday, November 28, 2019 2:42 PM

Wow !

Love the look of that engine. Coming along great !

Happy Thanksgiving.

Paul

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Posted by chocho willy on Friday, November 29, 2019 9:43 AM

Thanks Paul, fun build

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Posted by chocho willy on Tuesday, December 3, 2019 3:48 PM

still piddling with Old Joe, been cold here in central Florida east coast and being as my work area is on an open porch I haven gotten a lot done, but things that I have done are time consuming taking planning and thought. Finally figured out how to secure the lead weight in the engine and at the same time secure the boiler to the frame and that was using a furniture fitting that screws into wood an provides machine screw threads in the middle. Put it in the hole that the factory smoke stack went thru and will be held in place with a 1/4 X 20 SS bolt. Then at the same time I secured the cab with 2/56 screws on either side of the side cab openings after building up the area with styrene, in the picture that are a bright silver but will be changing them out for black hex head ones. Found some old steps from a LGB European coach and added them to the cab under the doors openings. The wood bunker is clipped on to the back of the cab and is secured from underneath with screws just like the factory one was so the cab will hold the rear of the boiler and the SS screw will hold the front. Little inside work, I painted on the wood load to give it more of a real appearance and it came out pretty good also dabbed some on the cab to give it a faded wood look. Think I'm going to try some cloth on the cab roof to give it a canvas look. Still have the side tanks to secure and a front bolster with coupler and coupler in the rear, more to come, Bill

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Posted by chocho willy on Thursday, December 5, 2019 10:24 AM

Got a little more done, working on the smoke stack, I wanted something that was whimsical and cute, so like a lot on my engines I use the smoke stack for a handle, with this in mind I decided on using a brass tube, needing a finishing touch for the stack I found a 3/8" flare nut that was almost the same size that I could tap to the 1/8" pipe thread and screw on the top. Once I got it shaped by chucking it up in a drill and attacking the grinder with it I had something that looked ok but was too big so I decided on cutting it down to size by again chucking it up in the drill and then attacking a hacksaw blade the I secured in a vice. After re taping the messed up threads I got it secured on, shortened the threads so it didn't stick out the top and then counter sunk the center to give it a tapered look. Little coat of silver paint and now just waiting to weather it, happy with the out come, I know it's not scale but think it is just the right touch to bring Old Joe to life

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Posted by PVT Kanaka on Thursday, December 5, 2019 9:44 PM
Heck of a use of old parts! "He's" looking great!
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Posted by chocho willy on Saturday, December 7, 2019 2:49 PM

  Little more done today, got the cribbing for the wood box finished, painted and installed, but most the time was spent on figuring type, location and mounting of the front coupler. Luckily I found in my collection of Kadee couplers a centerset short gear box # 835 couple which enabled me to mount it to a wood beam and both secured to a small flat protruding plate that is on 2010 engines, there were some angled supports molded in underneath which I had to remove but a sharp chisel made short work of them. The wood beam is actually PVC board that I had ripped sometime ago to make supports for my water tower. The wantabe cow catcher is one left over from a Bachmann Big hauler tender that has excellent forgiveness in the crash department and is great for bending without breakage and gives the build the appearance of a working yard engine. I then secured every thing with 2/56 screws and nuts which can be seen in the picture as silvery dots but will get covered with grimy paint soon. Still trying to find a suitable material to make my canvas roof with, suggestion are welcome. Will post when further achievements are made, Bill

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Posted by PVT Kanaka on Sunday, December 8, 2019 12:30 AM

Bill, It looks better each post! As for the canvas roof, I used to use painted tissue paper for tarps and flags and stuff back when I did 1/32 military models. I usually dipped the tissue paper in a thin whtie glue solution so it would have some mass to get it to drape over the model.  As the glue hardened, it "froze" it in place but did not hide  the texture.  Those were for static display, so it might not work in this application. It would be a cheap experiment!

Failing that, you might remember I used a stained t-shirt to represent a cloth cover for the "cab" of my double-hulled sailing locomotive.

The stain was actually the stuff we used to tint our concrete.  The material might be too heavy in appearance for your application (scale was hardly at the topmost of our minds in this project!), but, again, it might be worth a few strips of old T-shirt and some thinned paint to see if it could work for you.

 

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Posted by chocho willy on Sunday, December 8, 2019 7:43 AM

Thanks, Eric, good idea I'll give it a try, Bill

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Posted by chocho willy on Sunday, December 8, 2019 3:10 PM
After several good suggestions from several readers, I found some material that my wife had that had a nice weave and was thin enough to show the groves that I had scribed in the top. Selecting a suitable sized piece I glued it with some titebond glue and alowed to dry. I was going to dye the material with coffee or tea but it had a print on it so I wound up painting it and will probably put some tar patches on it where a ember from the stack landed and caused a burn hole. still more to come, Bill

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Posted by vsmith on Sunday, December 8, 2019 10:11 PM
Very cool, I look forward to seeing the finished model.

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Posted by PVT Kanaka on Tuesday, December 10, 2019 1:13 AM
After all these years, I am finally able to offer you a suggestion, Bill! I must be getting somewhere in this hobby!
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Posted by chocho willy on Tuesday, December 10, 2019 8:31 AM

yep, you're getting to be an old timer, Bill

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Posted by chocho willy on Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:08 PM

 Adding details to engine, got air piping along with the air compressor attached to the starboard side water tank + a bell attached to the vertical front of the engine cab and on the port side a air tank, tied the air piping and the air tank together with a pine made from metal wire covered vinyl, also added some hand rails on top of the water tanks for workers that came off and old aristo 0-4-0. Ran across a couple of head lights that I could incorporate into the engine but initially I was not going to put any headlights because it was thought engine only worked during the day, still thinking about that. Also started weathering the engine but a lot left to do, more to come, Bill. Since originally posting I have come to understand that by law the must have a head light so I guess I just have to pick a style.

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Posted by chocho willy on Saturday, December 14, 2019 9:27 PM

Finally decided on a headlight for Old Joe, had a selection of Bachmann, toy train and stanza, and I selected stanza basically because of size and style, but I did cut down the stanza one, removed the side board on the stock one so that the head light stood alone without a back board. Mounted it to the boiler using 2/56 black Allen head screws that are taped into the boiler, painted the one for the front to match the machine yellow that the tank is painted in, just because I waned it to show up more than a drab black or plain one, have a matching vertical one for the rear of the wood tender vertical back but painted that one silver for the same reason as I didn't want it to disappear into the back ground., also modified it in the same manner removing the back board behind the stanza light, think I will paint the reflector bright silver instead of leaving it factory white. more to come, Bill

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Sunday, December 15, 2019 8:37 AM

Looking great ! 

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Posted by PVT Kanaka on Sunday, December 15, 2019 6:35 PM
Looking awesome, Bill! A quick question about your parts bin...Do you scan e-Bay for this stuff, or is it just an accumulation from years in the hobby? Thanks, Eric
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Posted by chocho willy on Monday, December 16, 2019 5:06 PM

Just junk from 40 years don't throw alot away, might need it some day, LOL

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Posted by chocho willy on Monday, December 16, 2019 5:09 PM

Got a little more done today been tuff cause I'm taking meds for a lung infection and so now I shake more than usual, the Kadee springs were a blast to do. Used my last beam of cut down PVC board from the pillars of my water tower for the rear beam, found a step in my junk collection off a aristo slope back tender and a new Kadee #779 coupler. Being as there is no rear section left on the engine deck, cut it off some time ago, I mounted the beam, coupler assy to the motor block using 2/56 screws taped into the housing and secured with lock tight. Hopefully the meds will be over soon and I can get to some finish assy and wiring, now looking for a usable motor to make it run, more to come , Bill coupler from the sidefrom the rear

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Posted by PVT Kanaka on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 1:40 AM
Guess I have 35 years of collecting to do before Old Joe II rolls out of the shops!
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Posted by chocho willy on Saturday, December 21, 2019 12:59 PM

Had a comment that the cab on old Joe looked very shallow so I compared it to an aristo craft 0-4-0 switcher cab it might be 1/16" less not enough to mattercab comparison

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Posted by PVT Kanaka on Saturday, December 21, 2019 3:13 PM

The more I follow your builds, the more I kick myself for not buying that pair of derelict Big Haulers and damaged LGB Euro-style freight cars I saw in a shop last summer. Bang Head  Live and learn!

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Posted by chocho willy on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 11:00 AM

New engineer and fireman

  While looking for a figure to be Old Joe's engineer and fireman I came across is figure from American diorama which seemed to fit the bill, pot bellied, standing and aged looking, only problem was he was carrying a took box and a wrench that was necessary for his job as an engineer/fireman. so I changed the toolbox to a log and removed the wrench also reformed his hat and dirtied him up a little.

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Posted by PVT Kanaka on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 7:55 PM
He'll be right at home in the cab!

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