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Posted by smcgill on Friday, March 12, 2010 4:46 PM

Found a nice little scale @ IKEA !!

Small / round and does grams.

Found in kitchen area!

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Posted by dwbeckett on Friday, March 12, 2010 2:58 PM

kc heritage

 It is a bonding liguid made for concrete. Dupont makes an Acrylic Top Bond. You mix it with equal parts water and Top Bond. I use a cheap Turkey Baster to apply it. Later on if you want to break it up, pick up the stone that is still bonded and place in a large container full of water. The water will eventually break it up. Heavy rains will do the same. Good idea to reapply in areas where you see it weakening. Regards, Dennis.

KC, My problem is Heavy Rains. And what Tom and Sean are using seems to be what I need since I will be laying 2 ton's of rock in my back and side yard's mostly for weed control.

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Posted by DennisB on Friday, March 12, 2010 1:21 PM

 It is a bonding liguid made for concrete. Dupont makes an Acrylic Top Bond. You mix it with equal parts water and Top Bond. I use a cheap Turkey Baster to apply it. Later on if you want to break it up, pick up the stone that is still bonded and place in a large container full of water. The water will eventually break it up. Heavy rains will do the same. Good idea to reapply in areas where you see it weakening. Regards, Dennis.

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Posted by dwbeckett on Friday, March 12, 2010 11:48 AM

Ok it look's like it's 1 Gram to 3 Lbs of rock, Anyone know where to get a 1 gram scoop???

 

 

 

Ok any Idea's how much use without gram scale like 1 Tsp 1Tblsp 1/2 cup???

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Posted by smcgill on Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:04 PM

Funny that this just resurfaced!  Wink

I was mixing up some.

I was using .34 grams to 1 lbs.

I just filled the bucket and put it on the scale,

.34 x lbs = ??grams   easy  !

The part I set up in the fall lasted O.K. it will need some touch up though.

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Posted by dwbeckett on Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:24 PM
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"Stabilizer" is the only RE-USEABLE one I’ve found. If it breaks up, just tamp it back down and spray on some water – job done!  Collect the "old glued" gravel, put into 5-gallon bucket, put a plaster mixing bit (SUPER large paint mix blade) on your half inch drill and stir it up, totally brakes up in about 90 seconds. Spread the reclaimed gravel, tamp it down, wet it down, - job done – and BEST PART = NO NEW COST!!!!

OK the the NO NEW COST part sold Me. I have the tools and a 3/4 stick Just need to buy the stabilizer and 1 ton of 1/4 Bule minus 9 1/2 TON @ A time.......

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Posted by ttrigg on Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:47 PM

Dave: there are many other ways of doing the job. I’ve tried most of them, white glue, TB II, TB III, cement, mortar, silicone, etc. Some of them washed away, others just broke up in big chunks. "Stabilizer" is the only RE-USEABLE one I’ve found. If it breaks up, just tamp it back down and spray on some water – job done! Want to reroute that section of track? Spread a plastic sheet on the ground, pick up the rail, drop the rail on the plastic sheet, 85%-95% of the gravel will fall off. Re-lay the track to the new right-of-way. Collect the "old glued" gravel, put into 5-gallon bucket, put a plaster mixing bit (SUPER large paint mix blade) on your half inch drill and stir it up, totally brakes up in about 90 seconds. Spread the reclaimed gravel, tamp it down, wet it down, - job done – and BEST PART = NO NEW COST!!!!

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Posted by dwbeckett on Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:21 AM

I will check out my LRS I think i remember seeing a stabilizer their last year Hopfully they sell smaller quanity since I only need  55 lbs of fine's  Yes I have 1/4inch screen to catch the 3/8 inch bolders. Tom,Thanks for the info. I was also wondering if any of the other suggestion were used and still work. 

 

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Posted by ttrigg on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:58 PM

Dave: read this

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Posted by EMPIRE II LINE on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:49 AM

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Byron, you are dead on, so long as after (or during) the experiment results, both fair and foul, be shared.  We can all learn for each others success’s and non-success.  I will not use the word fail, as it is a learning process, we learn what works and learn what does not work.

Will Do, Tom

Now that the hot season is finally starting to break down here, It cooled down a bit just this past evening, It should be real nice to start getting back outside and do some further testing and cleaning of the mainline. I'll try and keep y'all posted as to how this works out.......

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Posted by ttrigg on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:57 PM
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....We're always experimenting.....Right folks !!!!    Byron 

Byron, you are dead on, so long as after (or during) the experiment results, both fair and foul, be shared.  We can all learn for each others success’s and non-success.  I will not use the word fail, as it is a learning process, we learn what works and learn what does not work.

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Posted by EMPIRE II LINE on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:40 AM

Optisailorusa

How are you ordering it?

Hi all,

I must first say, Thanks Tom, for the information about these folks and their products.

I have been corresponding with TINA, a representative of this company.

I 've explained to her that it is my desire to try and use either their Stabilizer or maybe the StaLok All Weather product.

I"ve explained to her, that I want to try and use one of their products, to hold in place, a product in this area called "Hardshell", I want to try and use it, as a scale track ballast, it's made from Calcium Carbonate, it's commonly used as "Chicken Grit", to feed chickens, so's the egg shells are harder.

This stuff looks just like mini "G" Scale Ballast Rock, looks just like and is about the size, "G" scale wise, as the ballast used on the real railroad tracks in this area. White in color.

I've tested this stuff for hardiness' in water....have soaked it in a bowl for days...holds up well...also put some on my layout for a time, and it does not seem to really dissolve in the heavy rains either. Looks like it could be dyed to different colors too....have not tried that, as yet though. 

I Will let everyone know later how this venture turns out, and what is maybe suggested as best to use as a stabilizer, to hold it in place.....We're always experimenting.....Right folks !!!!   

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Posted by ttrigg on Monday, September 28, 2009 11:05 PM

Go back to the first page of this thread.  There is a 1-800 phone number.  Ask them for a vendor in your area. 

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Posted by Optisailorusa on Monday, September 28, 2009 7:56 PM

How are you ordering it?

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Posted by smcgill on Monday, September 28, 2009 7:51 PM
It set up nicely, and I'll cont. using it on the rest of the layout! Thanks a lot!! Sean

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Posted by ttrigg on Monday, September 28, 2009 6:36 PM

Sounds to me like you have the situation solved!  I have given up trying to figure out why the stabilizer does not wash away in rain or sprinkler systems.  I’ve been using it for 4~5 years now and just love it because it is renewable/reusable.  It is 99.9% idiot proof, so long as you keep it away from the points in a turnout.

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Posted by smcgill on Monday, September 28, 2009 1:06 PM
I was told to use about 8 ounces to 1- 5 Gal bucket of stone dust. I weight the 5 Gal bucket with the stone dust "dry" and came up with 61.5 lbs. I then thought 1/2 that would be 30.75 lbs to 4 ounces. I took that 30+/- lbs and put into an old empty drywall mud bucket ,I then mix the 4 ounces to the half full/empty bucket .I placed the cover of the bucket on tightly then I shake/ rattled and rolled it!!! I then placed the mix were I wanted it and I watered it then tamped/pressed it into place and then went to York! I'll look when I get home today. It rained all day Sunday, good test?

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Posted by jhsimpson62 on Monday, September 28, 2009 5:32 AM

Tom, Thanks for the hints on mixing and laying the ballast and stablizer. Your method of ballasting sounds just like I've been doing (without the stablizer). My biggest concern is in getting the crusher fines dried out enough to get a good mix. Not a big deal, its just going to take time. Jack

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Posted by ttrigg on Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:18 AM
MIXING:  You are going to need to ensure a good thorough mix.  At my “rock shop” they use a small cement mixer and let it run for ten minutes for each load.  You might consider getting a small rubber mixing barrel at Home Depot.  The ones I’ve seen look like a five-gallon water cooler without the spigot. Mount a set of 4 wheels to support the barrel and then just spin it in place. 

 

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Posted by ttrigg on Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:53 AM
Remember to mix it dry, spread and tamp into position, then sprinkle with water to activate the stabilizer.  When I work a new section, I use a 1/2x1/2 stick as a tamping rod.  I fill the fines to about half the height of the rails, tamp it down, then sweep the extra into the next section to work. After everything is tamped into position, I fill a watering can and gently add the water.  Half gallon of water is enough for 5~8 foot of rails. 

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Posted by jhsimpson62 on Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:22 AM

Tom, That sounds about right for ratio. I haven't looked in the bag yet, but it must be some really fine power. We had some real heavy rains last week and I have a few places which will be attacked first. Jack

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Posted by ttrigg on Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:00 AM

jhsimpson62
mixture rate was 15 lbs to 1 ton.

That’s something in the neighborhood of 0.34 grams of stabilizer to a pound of fines.  One pound of crusher fines will ballast about 5 foot of rail.  Sounds like you have enough to last a lifetime.

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Posted by Optisailorusa on Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:51 AM

That would be awesome if you could keep me updated!

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Posted by jhsimpson62 on Saturday, September 26, 2009 6:14 AM

Have just received a small package (10 lbs) of Stablizer via UPS. Haven't gotten to try it yet due to the weather and some other projects going on. I called the company in AZ and was told the mixture rate was 15 lbs to 1 ton. Its going to take some math to get the mixture right, but hopefully the stuff will do the job. After completing a reballast of almost 500 ft of track, the heavy rains hit and washed about half of that away. I'm getting too old to be crawling around on my knees. Will keep you informed on how the Stablizer works. Jack

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Posted by pimanjc on Monday, September 21, 2009 10:49 PM

Optisailorusa

I have heard from people that some people make stuff that hardens you gravel into place when wetted and is still breakable and reuseable. Does anyone else know about this stuff? Where would I be able to get it?

Thanks

I have used Weldbond [original] Contact Cement.   It is basically a rubber cement which runs down into the spaces between the gravel and form a slightly flexable durable bond.  The Contact cement is UV protected.   It has been in place on my layout for about four years and is still doing its job.

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Posted by smcgill on Friday, September 18, 2009 9:32 AM
They did send me an address in my area. I just have to get there. Sean

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Posted by smcgill on Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:41 PM
Found it on the web, and am in contact e-mail with them ?

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Posted by smcgill on Wednesday, September 9, 2009 5:51 PM
Thanks for the stable answer!! I'll have to look around. Thanks Sean

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Posted by ttrigg on Saturday, September 5, 2009 11:18 PM

 

If you are willing to give them your email and snail mail address they will send a sample.

About the only thing left for me to do now would be to drive there and pick some up for you.  No, don't even ask, I'm not driving that far for anyone.  (lol)Banged Head  I did ask them if they are willing to sell packages over teh internet.  Don't expect any answer until Tuesday, as this a holiday weekend.

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Posted by ttrigg on Friday, September 4, 2009 10:15 PM

OK Guys: I did some more research. Seems as though this stuff is continuously called "'Stabilizer' by Stabilizer Solutions, Inc." It is a prime additive for Decomposed Granite driveways. I would again suggest you contact your local rock shop, and your local specialty driveway installers.

If you want more info go here:

http://www.stabilizersolutions.com/technology/view/1-stabilizerr

They call it Stabilizer®

Tom Trigg

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