Shocked

[hoofe116]

Dunrobin:

I'm posting a correction: I referenced you in another post as located in FL rather than BC. You sound so ... American! <G> (That is a joke! Apologies up front if it isn't taken so.) Anyway, my bust, and your reply gave me a needed boost, as the article referred to indicated nothing as an alternative.

Les Whitaker

[Marty Cozad]

(This reply board takes forever to load up with all these little boxes)

 

Anyway, its hard to NOT sound strong on an issue in print. Many of us who  have been around long enough ,get very  tired when some lazy folks will bad mouth a method when they personally have not even tried it. 

I hear this at club meetings from those who complain about how bad their trains run (once or twice a month) but have no interest in investing in the time and $$ to make their RR run good all the time.

 

I know folks who have said for the past 5 years, "yea , next summer I'm going to do it the RIGHT WAY and get some track down outside. "

Whats the "right way" which next summer are you talking about? these folks are very vocal and some of us (hopfully) only speak up to run interferance to keep them from discouraging new folks from tring. 

Its a fun hobby, but you have to work out the bugs. 

[kimbrit]

Les, never mind comments on forums, we have all 'said' something that we have regretted later. You read something and it is either of use to you or not, if it's of use then the forum has worked, if it isn't for you then it may be good for someone else. In the meantime get yourself some Aristo/USA/LGB track and get it on the ground, get whatever loco you have running and the rest will follow as sure as we all pay tax at some time or other. You'll find the hardest part is then behind you, the actual running of your first train. From then on it's your choice, expensive or not. My only word of warning is that by this time you will be well and truly hooked and beyond help. Look at Marty!!!

Kim

[Marty Cozad]

Kim

Be nice. 

 I learned it all from you.

 I now eat sleep and drink trains, I have no life, no money  but I love rolling around in the dirt in my speedo's smelling the pretty flowers while I run my choo choos. 

 

Someday I plan to visit Rene at her office and walk in and show her I really do have yellow speedo's.... Then it will be photo time. 

[GearDrivenSteam]

I didn't mean my post in a rude way at all....neither do I think I'm superior to anyone......actually quite the opposite. All I meant was that you can look and look for cheap ways to do things, but in the end you'll wish you'd spent the extra money and done it right. That's all, nothing more. Perhaps I should have expounded a bit more.....and I also maybe should've been given the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps someone COULD have asked what I meant, instead of slamming me, but that's ok.

[kimbrit]

Hi Rob, nobody's slamming anybody from my perspective, like I said, sometimes we are just misunderstood. Now then, Marty in yellow speedo's in Rene's office. In the UK it's ten thirty and I'll probably be awake all night with that vision in mind. Grrrrrrrrrr.....................

[Anonymous]

I have found on this forum that there are a number of people that i regard as fools, but for the most they are very hepful and knowledgable blokes. We have one person that absolutely rubs me up the wrong way, very patronising and it is probably vica versa

Many peoples thinkings are worlds apart and that is what is so good about this hobby, there is no right or wrong way of doing anything and what works for John Doe, may not work for Fred Nerk.

I personally think everyone is wrong unless they agree with me and many other people are of the same opinion.

Rgds Ian

[Anonymous]

I didn't mean my post in a rude way at all....neither do I think I'm superior to anyone......actually quite the opposite. All I meant was that you can look and look for cheap ways to do things, but in the end you'll wish you'd spent the extra money and done it right. That's all, nothing more. Perhaps I should have expounded a bit more.....and I also maybe should've been given the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps someone COULD have asked what I meant, instead of slamming me, but that's ok.

 

Your second post is well thought out, well worded, and generally very good insight...the first one? It was concise and.... well, how about we all just pretend you never posted it? Meaning what one says doesn't always include saying what one actually means. I've stuck both feet in my mouth (keyboard?) a few times too. Annyhoo...c'mon over and join the merry crew at MLS chat, too!

[Marty Cozad]

So much for a quiet evening, I had to take a tow chain to my 3rd son who was busting snow drifts with his truck and lost. We had to get another 4 X 4 to pull him out.

 

kids will be kids. I got to share some of my old "fun" stories. 

[hoofe116]

I didn't mean my post in a rude way at all....neither do I think I'm superior to anyone......actually quite the opposite. All I meant was that you can look and look for cheap ways to do things, but in the end you'll wish you'd spent the extra money and done it right. That's all, nothing more. Perhaps I should have expounded a bit more.....and I also maybe should've been given the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps someone COULD have asked what I meant, instead of slamming me, but that's ok.

I'm the guy you aimed it at, and hey, forget it! Let's all of us be peaceful--at my age I need it!<g> I'd like to suggest, in the gentlest, friendliest way possible, that some--well, me-- don't have the $$ to 'do it right the first time'. And that I'm entirely ignorant of most of the basics. I don't mind admitting it; I've found in my lifetime that shrugging and saying, 'hey, how do you do....' works wonders. People can be unintentionally terse. Guess how I know that? <g> No, Mr. Merritt, I've entered an expensive hobby without much means but time and due diligence, but I'd bet you've got a lot of good info to pass along. And 'live steam' has always interested me, but from a distance: I've got a small lathe, but no mill, so that part's pretty much a no-go for me. (And after a lifetime of using manual mills and lathes, I'd rather let that part go.) Please, let there be no thought of hard feelings.

Les Whitaker

[GearDrivenSteam]

I don't have the big bucks at all..I just meant do it right as you can afford it. Because you'll just be doing it over again when it falls apart and it'll end up costing you as much or more than doing it right the first time.

[Anonymous]

I am with you on this Robert, if you can't do it properly best not do it at all.

Rgds Ian

[Anonymous]

Ahhhh, but what is "right" or "proper"? and for whom? The scale police would shudder if they saw my layout, but it suits me. As long as it works there is more than one way to skin a cat...some  even work without throwing money at it

[ttrigg]

...what is "right" or "proper"? and for whom? The scale police would shudder if they saw my layout, but it suits me.

Allen

Well said my friend.  I too would be held without bail should the scale ploice come to my area.

[GearDrivenSteam]

When I say "do it right", I'm not talking about one particular way. I just mean build it so that it wil last. You can build yours with duct tape, balsa wood and coat hangar wire for all I care. Some people will argue about anything. I think most on this thread know what I mean by now. I'm working on my outdoor layout almost literally 3 feet at the time, because it's all I can afford to do. It's supported with 4 X 4 posts set in concrete ,with 2 X 4s on top and 2 X 6s on the curves. There are plenty of right ways to do things. It just depends on the person. I guess my whole point is that large scale trains cost money. Why run them on crap?

[kimbrit]

At the end of the day it comes down to enjoying what you do, what's the point otherwise? When anyone comes into this hobby mistakes are made and things have to be re-done, lets just hope that they aren't expensive mistake. Les, any questions you have then ask away, someone on here will have the answer - or know someone who has!!

Everything grows, this part of the railway is now no more, the level has been raised by approx 8" and nearer the fence there will be another raised section for a new circuit. It wasn't a mistake originally, all I could do then, still expensive though!

Cheers,

Kim

[Great Western]

Greetings

                 It seems that I am amongst fellows as regards the flexibility of scale and time scales.

   Having built my railroad last summer - a  single line of just over 100ft. - I added a passing loop and sidings.  As my stock expanded so did the loop and sidings.  I am now going to alter the depot/station area for the third time making extra sidings a distance away and with provision for a portable cover in case of rain showers!  Something we get often in the UK 

   Hopefully this will be the last time, but I suppose there is always something to consider in the way of improvements either to stock, track or scenery. I keep looking into the possibility of track doubling - providing the Head Gardener has no objections - there are certain plants which are her favourites   At least the hobby doesn't become stale.