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^There is room for both, most of my layout I did it by drawing a line in the dirt and just followed that with a good overview of what i hoped to achieve. However when i did area 3, with all the constraints involved i drew it all up to scale on graph paper and it worked ok very well. I also used cardboard to make templates to make complex twisting components for the climbing ramp etc. and that worked out very well also. In fact one pattern was so hard to do i actually got a 3.7 m (12') length of club rail and bent that to shape to suit what i wanted to achieve and used that to make the template; then used the template to get the correct shape out of marine ply. Doreen transfered the pattern to the wood anbd I cut it out with my Jig (saber) saw. So i guess there is room for everything in this pasttime. Rgds Ian
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