scales and manufacturers

[RhB_HJ]

Dave and Tony, [;)][:)][;)]

To sum it up "Spin is in!"

OTOH finely crafted phrases have effect, too.

Recently I posted on a German forum

QUOTE: Übrigens mein "G - wie Gummi" Slogan bezieht sich auf den absolut flexibelsten Geschäftsbereich bei LGB: die Maßstabtreue und Maßstabeinheitlichkeit. Aus meiner Erfahrung und was mir die Händler erzählen, hinkt der Rest des Geschäftsmodelles punkto Flexibilität weit hinten nach.

Which translated means: "BTW my "G - wie Gummi" slogan refers to the most flexible business aspect at LGB: adherence to scale and uniformity of scale. From my experience and from what our dealers tell us, the rest of LGB's business model is by far not as flexible."
Well, anytime one can get a German modeler to laugh so hard that his eyes tear, you can assume that it must have hit the right spot. [;)][;)][;)] And when he posts as much on a forum, it makes up for quite a bit of the "Spin" certain mfgs put on the scale topic. [;)][;)][:)][:)]

[Curmudgeon]

Spin it is, then.
Whirlygig?

[RhB_HJ]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Curmudgeon

Spin it is, then.
Whirlygig?

Dave,

Whatelse do those guys have in the scale department??

BTW Whirlygig is way too slow. It's more like a spinning top, which is very appropriate. You know how those sort of wobble?? Similar sensation you get when you spin some of the LGB wheelsets, plenty of wobble.
I just got a new RhB coach which has a new type of wheel set - twin-spoked - and since this is a new item one could reasonably expect that the wheels would run true, thirtyeight years of experience should see to that.
But like the other "Spin", you can spin all you want, things just don't run true. Which makes me wonder: would that be an overflow effect of the WOW factor???[;)][:D][}:)][}:)][:D][:D]

[Curmudgeon]

European Milwaukee Road Wheelsets.
Purely to scale.

[folkestonekeith]

Great thread to follow since my posting when this thread started. We have a great hobby and there is plenty of room for everyone to get what they want as long as we know what we getting.

I'm a great fan of LGB (mainly the Swiss RhB and German Harz and Saxon Narrow Gauge) but I have bought some LGB Union Pacific stuff as well as the Sumpter Valley Mallet......as LGB Jack says, it all goes well together.... In view of it going well together it's obvious that the scale of the models is different so I can't understand why LGB just can't state what the scale is..... is the American stuff 1:29, 1:32 or something else.

There is the other problem mentioned in the other responses....the scale relation of the length of the model. In European HO some passenger cars are shorter than true scale. Fleischmann do this on their modern cars so they can negotiate tight radius curves. Roco also do this but they show an additional pictogram in the catalogue showing the length scale of 1:100 or 1:93.5 if it is not actual 1:87.

We all know we have a mess of scales etc. so why can't the likes of LGB and all the others just tell us what they do. If Roco can do it why can't the others.......

[Anonymous]

As long as it all works together you should just relax and "ignore the man behind the curtain" [:D][:p][}:)][8D][:I][^]

[RhB_HJ]

QUOTE: Originally posted by folkestonekeith
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We all know we have a mess of scales etc. so why can't the likes of LGB and all the others just tell us what they do. If Roco can do it why can't the others.......

Hi Keith,

Precisely!

To take LGB as an example and being specific to RhB equipment; I have a sneaky suspicion that until recently (let's say three years) LGB looked at prototype info as a "guideline". Conveniently using the R1 rule as the reason for "not so to scale".
Interestingly they have just released the "Bim" cars (DB prototype) and those puppies measure 800mm overall. The next interesting part is the position of the truck king pins (575mm center distance) and yet they still negotiate R1 (It's a cardinal rule in Nürnberg).
Needless to say that even RhB EW1 coaches would fit in that "foot print" and the trucks are closer to the ends of the cars. In other words what "prevents" LGB from going to scale length on the coaches is the jarring impression the user would get when comparing the shortie cars to scale cars. A typical example in the freight car line is the old and the new Gbk-v, "hmmmmmmmm how interesting" is the politest comment. Of course you know the new Gbk-v was a direct result of KISS producing one first, and in many respects a better model to boot. Of course there are those Large Scalers who opine that the KISS car just doesn't have "That LGB Feel". Personally I get a good laugh from those comments; yep, who cares if it is a better model if it just doesn't feel right.[;)][}:)][;)][;)][}:)]
Well, those "connoisseurs" already got a "Feel" of the newer, "Made in China" LGB items and for some strange reason they are not impressed. The models may be more accurate, but the "Feel" is gone.[:D][:D][:D]
I've only been in Large Scale since 1999 - just a newbie - and I obviously haven't read enough on the subject, how else could I have missed that LSers are really a touchy-feely bunch!
[;)][;)][:D][}:)][:D][:D][:p]

[RhB_HJ]

Hi all,

I've been busily measuring the LGB 30340 RhB C 2012 Museumcar. Well there are enough discrepancies that need to be listed that I decided to post a preliminary comparison chart first.



One of the RhB Forum members provided those dimensions and yes, they checked out.

I'm now doing the "insert the dimensions in the drawing" routine and there are a lot of dimensions. But it is a very good example on just how many different scales one will find in LGB products. Even on a car that LGB terms

QUOTE: The LGB model is a faithful replica of the original complete with interior furnishings and authentic livery and lettering. With this model, another request of the LGB faithful has been fulfilled.

Of course there are very many different dictionaries and it is possible that LGB/EPL has a very special one in which there are completely new definitions.
"New Speak" anyone?? [;)][;)][}:)][}:)][:D][:D][:D]