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I don't believe any of it; no one knows nor could it ever be truly worked out for the very point Vic alluded to and that is what is a layout? Anyway who cares; these other people in other scales are slowly but surely losing ground, as they are mostly living in the past and little has changed for years. This is a changing world and you can't tread water, you must make headway or be swept away into the past. Rgds ian
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