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Troy, regarding your "just learn to solder" suggestion -- It's true that ideally we would all learn the basic skills of the hobby, but remember the original mission as discussed between Tony and a couple of us in the original thread: The original mission for Tony was to design a battery + R/C conversion which no newbie would find intimidating in any way -- not in terms of price, not in terms of complexity of instructions, and not in terms of needing new tools or technical skills. I'm personally ready and eager to learn to solder. But it definitely falls into the category of a potential deterrent to a newbie. Last summer, for example, I wasn't anywhere near ready or eager to learn such things and might have just stuck with drawing and painting and skipped the trains! Our original idea was that if a newbie -- even a kid! -- can convert two or three ultra-cheap ($36) trains to battery+R/C, and buy just $100 for a hundred or so feet of aluminum track, plus ten or so $7 Hartland shorty kit cars for $70 total (!), well, Large Scale as a hobby suddenly seems to be thrown wide open to everybody, both economically and skills-wise. It's probably best to think not in terms of what seems easy to us personally, at this point in our hobby experience, but rather in terms of making the hobby fully accessible to people at all skill and experience levels. So I agree with Bill Johnson. Creating a solder-free version of this conversion makes it more likely to become a "classic" for newbies just getting into the hobby. And the point wasn't to make the conversion easy for Tony -- it was to make it easy for the newbie. Let's take Bill's wariness of soldering at face value. it no doubt represents thousands of potentially interested parties out there! F8
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