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Jack , i loved your use of the word "patina" its one of my favourites too. Can you include the word "maniscus" in your writings I love that one too, How about this for being unreal. "I was looking at the maniscus in my glass of beer and i was so interested in its shape and what caused it, that i didn't drink any nmore beer for ten minutes. Regards Ian Jack what is your latitude I am on 25 Deg South and about 152 deg east ie we are 10 hours ahead of universal time or GMT.
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