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Weathering Aluminum Rail
Posted by IRB Souther Engineer on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 6:05 PM

Is the best way to weather aluminum rail with the Micro Engineering Rail Weathering Solution?

Also, could you run 5 volts through aluminum rail without trouble?

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Posted by dwbeckett on Wednesday, September 7, 2011 9:01 AM

1: you could paint the sides alot cheaper

2. Alm rail would be fine  with only 5 amps. it would handel more.

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Posted by Greg Elmassian on Thursday, September 8, 2011 1:00 AM

He said 5 volts, not amps, so I wonder what the application is.

Aluminum is an excellent conductor of electricity, better than copper... BUT oxidizes very easily, so connections need special care to stay conductive.

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Posted by IRB Souther Engineer on Thursday, September 8, 2011 6:45 PM

The 5 volts are for a block detection system...Also the aluminum rail would be inside.

Another question: could you make an electromagnet with white metal?

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Posted by Greg Elmassian on Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:17 AM

The problem in powered rails is voltage drop.

The amount of voltage "lost" is related to resistance in rail connections AND the amount of current drawn.

I would suppose that your block detection system would be modern, then it would not draw a lot of current. Thus, it should be no problem, i.e. not having problems with significant voltage loss/drop.

Sure you could make an electromagnet with non-ferrous metals, takes liquid nitrogen, to supercool the metal and help make superconducting situation. Smile

In practical terms though, you can't make electromagnets with anything else than a coil of wire, lots of windings. The magnetism comes from the magnetic field created by electrons flowing through the wire.

You "amplify" the effect by making more windings and/or adding ferrous metal to concentrate the magnetic lines of flux. Using white metal would do nothing, since it is non-ferrous.

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Posted by Marty Cozad on Sunday, September 18, 2011 9:59 AM

I just use camo flat brown spray paint, seems to be holding up fine.

 

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Posted by ed375 on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:22 AM

Aluminum is not quite as good a conductor, of electricity, as copper. 12 gauge copper wire is rated to carry 30 amps. 12 gauge aluminum wire is rated to carry 25 amps under the same conditions.

There is a paste coating electricians use when joining copper and aluminum wire to eliminate/minimize oxidation at the join. I don't know what it is called. Ask an electrician or a hardware store that sells (house) wiring supplies.

 

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Posted by grandpopswalt on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:45 AM

Greg Elmassian

 

I would suppose that your block detection system would be modern, then it would not draw a lot of current. Thus, it should be no problem, i.e. not having problems with significant voltage loss/drop.

 

Regards, Greg

 

Speaking of block detection systems - can you recommend some DIY schemes that will work with DC  track power? 

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Posted by Greg Elmassian on Sunday, October 23, 2011 12:35 PM

My bad, aluminum is only about 60% as conductive as copper... thermally and electrically. mia culpa!

Simple block detection systems can detect resistance between the rails, like a light or resistor, then you measure the current in that block or section of track to detect. You have to have a small current flowing.

You can also use optical sensors.

Really depends on how many sensors, your budget, and if you have the desire to have "Conductive cars" and what you are really trying to sense.

You might want to start a whole new thread on the subject, with what you want to accomplish, and we can leave this thread "on topic".

Regards, Greg

 

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