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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 25, 2008 12:59 PM

I live within a prett tight budget, so my layout does not get expanded very quickly or easily. Like all commodities, prices do go up over time, but frankly, I think the recent track pricing is total gouging - it does NOT reflect the increases in raw materials. So, for me, it has come to the point where I can no longer play with those big manufacturers - I don't afford track at those prices - I'm simply stuck at the level I now have.

 

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Posted by gbbari on Monday, February 25, 2008 2:23 PM

I bought my LGB track and turnouts all last year right after the Aristo announcement and got pre-crisis prices so I was happy and am done buying track for now. But that doesn't help Snowshoe or any new guys afford their track today.

I think the advice given earlier about joining a large scale model RR club is very good. Members are less likely to try and profit off of a new struggling young member and will often offer any used track or rolling stock at bargain or token prices if they know you're really going to use it (i.e. "keep it in the family") and not try to re-sell it to make a profit on your own.  Many large scale clubs have a lot of middle-aged and older men who like to mentor new-comers to the hobby and young lads with small wallets and help any way they can within their limits. 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 14, 2008 2:10 PM

Check out the following link. He makes everything, locos, cars, tracks and turnouts from wood. I'm sure you will find the site very, very interesting.

http://4largescale.com/fletch/

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Posted by EMPIRE II LINE on Friday, March 14, 2008 3:41 PM
I know a gent who has a whole shed full of track, switches, alot of multi configured ones too, cross overs, strait and curve track galor, and he's already got a good bit set up. Don't think he's wanten to sell any though.....Byron

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Posted by SNOWSHOE on Friday, March 14, 2008 5:21 PM
 DD1 wrote:

Check out the following link. He makes everything, locos, cars, tracks and turnouts from wood. I'm sure you will find the site very, very interesting.

http://4largescale.com/fletch/

For some reason I could not open the link.

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Posted by EMPIRE II LINE on Friday, March 14, 2008 6:54 PM

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Posted by sclairfan on Saturday, March 15, 2008 3:52 PM
I  started in this hobby Christmas 2006 with an LGB starter set. I was told by others it was the best you could buy however, LGB went belly-up and left a lot of us hanging. Just like the time I bought a Beta Hi-FI for close to a thousand dollars it didn't last either . I have been holding out on the Hi Definition thing but it looks like I may be forced into a decision soon. My point is none of that matters now and, I'm able to sell all of my Beta tapes on ebay anyway . I am going to continue to build my garden railroad and it is going to take me longer than I anticipated. I was lucky to have purchased some extra track last summer (only 20 ft. ) and it is still sitting in my garage but, I  need more track and it's going to cost me. This is a great hobby and I'm glad I can involve my family and friends in it. I have fun with it and I meet lot's of wonderful people from around the world. It wouldn't be possible without the internet and that is part of our hobby as well. This Forum makes it possible for us to learn new things and share what we already know. I don't golf and I know some my co-workers spend a few thousand  dollars a year in fees and buying the best new clubs on the market. That helps me justify some of the  cost in my own mind. I don't know if we are being gouged or not when it comes to the price  of track I will still have to buy more regardless. I do realize the cost of metal has gone up every where because the demand is high.  I have however saved some money on rolling stock by purchasing sale items.  I buy dollar store bird houses for my buildings just to get started and keep some of the cost down. I have asked my wife to give me gift cards for bithday's so I can purchase more track and Christmas gifts are Sale items such as rolling stock we have purchased but, they are tucked away for next Christmas. It makes no sense to me to get another screw driver set or a tool I'm not going to use.  Gift certificates make more sense and save everyone the hassle of what to get you.  I don't know where I read it but some one said get started don't leave it sitting there in the box and that is exactly what I did. The price of track isn't going to stop me, slow me down, yes. This is the World's Greatest Hobby just keep doin' it but, have fun.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 16, 2008 5:51 PM

    As all of us know, prices have been going up on everything from garden railway track to food and pantyhose. I used to think that when a gallon of milk goes up 50¢, how does that relate to an oil increase. What does the cost of oil got to do with milk prices? The answer is: the cost of a barrel of oil, affects not only transportation costs, but it also affects everything that depends on oil and that just about includes everything. That gallon of milk has to get from the dairy to the coop. The container is plastic and oil affects the cost of the container. The dairyman has to buy feed, which again has to be transported to the dairy for the cows. The cost of electricity to operate the dairy increases. The trucking cost to get that milk to the retail store increases. Once you add up all the small increases to get that gallon of milk to the retailer, it's not so difficult to see why the price of milk has increased as it has. For every gallon of milk, there are probably 30-40 other places where increased oil prices have had an incremental effect on that one gallon. The same holds true for track and just about everything you can imagine. Some industries work on a slim margin of profit. Holding the price down, might bankrupt that industry. All they can do is pass the costs on to the consumer. Those who work on a larger margin of profit, might be able to absorb the increased cost, but only to an extent. Their answer to cost increases is to cut the labor cost through layoffs, early retirements, etc.

     There isn't much the consumer can do about it. Screaming about high costs and boycotts has little or no effect on the problem. Since everything is geared to oil prices, the only way costs will come down is by a reduction in oil price. Don't blame the track maker. He has to increase his prices to stay in business. Otherwise we will just have to do without track.

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Posted by SNOWSHOE on Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:17 PM
 DD1 wrote:

    As all of us know, prices have been going up on everything from garden railway track to food and pantyhose. I used to think that when a gallon of milk goes up 50¢, how does that relate to an oil increase. What does the cost of oil got to do with milk prices? The answer is: the cost of a barrel of oil, affects not only transportation costs, but it also affects everything that depends on oil and that just about includes everything. That gallon of milk has to get from the dairy to the coop. The container is plastic and oil affects the cost of the container. The dairyman has to buy feed, which again has to be transported to the dairy for the cows. The cost of electricity to operate the dairy increases. The trucking cost to get that milk to the retail store increases. Once you add up all the small increases to get that gallon of milk to the retailer, it's not so difficult to see why the price of milk has increased as it has. For every gallon of milk, there are probably 30-40 other places where increased oil prices have had an incremental effect on that one gallon. The same holds true for track and just about everything you can imagine. Some industries work on a slim margin of profit. Holding the price down, might bankrupt that industry. All they can do is pass the costs on to the consumer. Those who work on a larger margin of profit, might be able to absorb the increased cost, but only to an extent. Their answer to cost increases is to cut the labor cost through layoffs, early retirements, etc.

     There isn't much the consumer can do about it. Screaming about high costs and boycotts has little or no effect on the problem. Since everything is geared to oil prices, the only way costs will come down is by a reduction in oil price. Don't blame the track maker. He has to increase his prices to stay in business. Otherwise we will just have to do without track.

I agree oil prices effect the prices of everything else including track.  But lets face it the price of track is way out of hand as compared to other products. 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:26 PM
As an additional comment re: the high cost of track, I have a few G gauge locos and some rolling stock. The track I have has always been individual rails on wood ties. A lot of work, yes, but it was the only way I could afford the hobby. Now that the costs have soared, not only for track, but also for everything else, I've gotten out of garden railways and drifted over to 1/8 scale trains. I build them myself from common materials from Lowes and various dumpsters and scrap yards. Luckily, I have a complete machine and woodworking shop, so my only limitation is my own immagination and inventiveness. Track is made from 1/4 x 1 flat aluminum strip set into wood ties. 1/8 x 1/2 steel or aluminum strip would work just as well in G gauge. In fact, I made up quite a bit of track that way. It's your railway, so you can do it any way you want.

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