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Kim the herringbone i am talking about is not acceptable and it is not normal until the cleaning discs are neaerly worn out. I can tell you my Stainz does not like it and to a much lesser exent neither does my ICE train. I repeat i am not sure at all that it is running as a normal loco that does the damage but i am very suspicious. Cleaning pads are a bit expensive and it is better to not bring undue wear on unless you have too; well thats my opinion wanyway.When running it as a normal train, you will find it goes much more smoothly in reverse and seems to not knock the cleaning section around as much..Rgds Ian
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