Pre War American Flyer Pictures - An Invitation

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:26 PM

To test the whistle, just use power wires from your transformer and connect one to the split fork power pickup on the tender and the other to one of the wheels on the tender.

It should run fine on 3 rail track, but not sure about going through switches.

 

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Thursday, May 28, 2020 9:19 AM

JonEddy

Hey Northwoods do you have any catalog pages for the 1680 Hudson with the set options? 

   Thanks for any info.

           Jon

Hi Jon,

As you know the Hudson (Type XII engine) was cataloged from 1936 to  1939. The catalogs from 1937 to 1939 are posted online in their entirety.  If you Google American Flyer catalog 1937 you will see this entry.

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American Flyer Trains 1937, page 6 | AC Gilbert Catalog Archive

I believe that all of the Prewar Gilbert catalogs are posted there.  You will get a good idea of the sets that the Hudson headed up.

I can probably post some photos from the 1936 catalog. Is there a particular set you are looking for?

The passenger sets are my favorites.

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Posted by JonEddy on Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:04 PM

Northwoods Flyer
Hi Jon,

As you know the Hudson (Type XII engine) was cataloged from 1936 to  1939. The catalogs from 1937 to 1939 are posted online in their entirety.  If you Google American Flyer catalog 1937 you will see this entry.

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Web results

American Flyer Trains 1937, page 6 | AC Gilbert Catalog Archive

I believe that all of the Prewar Gilbert catalogs are posted there.  You will get a good idea of the sets that the Hudson headed up.

I can probably post some photos from the 1936 catalog. Is there a particular set you are looking for?

The passenger sets are my favorites.

 

Hi Northwoods,
    The set I got was a freight set, or at least when I bought it it had a freight set with the tender and engine. Thanks for the info, I'll see what i can find in the online catalogs.
 
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Posted by JonEddy on Friday, May 29, 2020 5:49 PM

Did the 1936 version with the whistling tender come in a freight set or passenger set only or both? I tried testing the whistle with my transformer on a wheel and the forked trip and it hummed. Does it use the same brushes as other O-gauge motors?

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Monday, June 1, 2020 4:31 PM

Narrow Gauge

The Oriental

Set #1337   1928 -1929

3112 Medium Boxcab

Notice the doors on the baggage car

A previous owner installed some opaque material in the windows on the coach and the observation.

I like the looks of the window material

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Monday, June 1, 2020 6:44 PM

JonEddy

Did the 1936 version with the whistling tender come in a freight set or passenger set only or both? I tried testing the whistle with my transformer on a wheel and the forked trip and it hummed. Does it use the same brushes as other O-gauge motors?

    Jon

 

It came with both a freight set and a passenger set.  Yes the motor uses the same brushes as the engines.  Check the whistle motor gear, I believe it used a fiber gear and they go bad sometimes.

 

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 11:21 AM

Jon,

Here are the sets headed up by the Hudson from the 1936 catalog.

What cars did you get with the Hudson?

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Posted by JonEddy on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 5:57 PM

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Jon,

What cars did you get with the Hudson?

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I got the whole freight set, I just wasn't sure if I had the right cars with it because I got a couple of freight car sets with the same style of couplers. The only difference was the style of truck and color variation. I thought the tanker car(last pic) was from this set but it has a different style truck than the others.
 
 
 
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Posted by Nationwidelines on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 6:51 PM

JonEddy,

The tank car in the last picture looks to be from 1930 and is much earlier than the rest of your set.

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Posted by JonEddy on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:29 PM

Nationwidelines

JonEddy,

The tank car in the last picture looks to be from 1930 and is much earlier than the rest of your set.

NWL

 

Thanks, for confirming that one was older. It looks like a previous owner may have touched up the base of that tank too. I tried testing the tender like you suggested, the motor turns but not very fast. I'm going to take a look at the brushes and clean it up and see if it helps. I'll also take a look at the gear.

     Jon

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Posted by JonEddy on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:30 PM

Nationwidelines

It came with both a freight set and a passenger set.  Yes the motor uses the same brushes as the engines.  Check the whistle motor gear, I believe it used a fiber gear and they go bad sometimes.

NWL

Well I guess the whistle motor went out. I did try changing the brushes and either I caused a short in the motor armature or it was just giving its last couple of turns when I tried it earlier. If I can get that fixed it does look like the fiber gear is going out on it too. A couple of the gear teeth are worn down. Does anyone know if they make replacements or is it the idler gear for an Ogauge Engine, if so where? I didn't see them on Hennings or Train Tender's sitesSad 

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Wednesday, June 3, 2020 7:11 AM

JonEddy

 

Well I guess the whistle motor went out. I did try changing the brushes and either I caused a short in the motor armature or it was just giving its last couple of turns when I tried it earlier. If I can get that fixed it does look like the fiber gear is going out on it too. A couple of the gear teeth are worn down. Does anyone know if they make replacements or is it the idler gear for an Ogauge Engine, if so where? I didn't see them on Hennings or Train Tender's sitesSad 

 

       Jon

 

I don't know of anyone who has reproduced the fiber gear for the whistles.  

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Posted by overlandflyer on Tuesday, June 23, 2020 7:50 PM

i recently picked up two Am Flyer, Type V clockwork locomotives.  both have early clockwork motors (pre 1917, 6-spoke wheels) and both motors have right side SQUARE key posts.  they bear little resemblence to the other pre-1917 motors i know of found in early Flyer Type I locomotives.

anyone care to weigh in on this motor?

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Tuesday, June 23, 2020 8:06 PM

Post some photos.

It sounds like you are referring to the #15 locomotive from either 1914 or 1915.  I believe those motors were manufactured by Ansonia for American Flyer, which is why the key was on the other side and why it looks different.  

 

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Posted by overlandflyer on Tuesday, June 23, 2020 9:24 PM

yes, the No. 15 locomotives... here are both motors.

ever seen a key?  luckily it seems to be a fairly standard size.  a Marx key i have works.

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:31 AM

overlandflyer

yes, the No. 15 locomotives... here are both motors.

ever seen a key?  luckily it seems to be a fairly standard size.  a Marx key i have works.

 

The 1 with the red wheels is from 1914 and the one with the black wheels is from 1915.

If you look at the wheels, you will find they are cast iron wheels that have been machined.  

They are relatively rare motors, simply because production numbers were lower in that era and because of the passage of time.  

You have the castings?

 

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Posted by overlandflyer on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:10 AM

here are the three locomotives i have.  i am suspicious that the 6-spoke red wheel motor may be in a later (roof vent) casting, but the other two look legitimate.  Schuweiler lists the ventilator roof casting as appearing with 10-spoke wheels, but i tend to believe there may have been some overlap with the 8-spoke wheel motors into the late casting.  it does have the more conventional, later Flyer motor design.

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:16 PM

I would guess you are correct in that the red wheel version has a later cab on it.  I say this simply because the red wheel version is identified as being from 1914, which is the earliest year of this locomotive.  There would be no overlap in the first year of production to a later design that came out a number of years later.

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