Hi Bubba,
Not sure I understand the question, but check out the Lionel 2001 Catalog, Volume 1, p.16 or thereabouts and see whether that helps.
It's on line at www.lionel.com > Products > catalogs.
Bubba,
At the Lionel web site, under Customer Service, you can find an Owner's Manual for the locomotive that I think it is. Sometimes the catalog images differ slightly from the production models; and/or the products change slightly from one year to another.
I think the catalog number is 72-8066-250. If that's not it, I can't help.
Are you certain that your loco is a Lionel? MTH made/makes a similar loco that I believe is a 4-6-4 , but I haven't been able to find a picture where I can read the cab number. Can you post a picture?
Maybe somebody "kitbashed" a Lionel 4-6-2 and turned it into a 4-6-4.
Maybe somebody thinks it's April 1st rather than March 1st.
Your Erie 4-6-4 is from the #31953 "Riding the Rails" hobo train set. The set was cataloged 2003-04, but the loco was not available for separate sale.
The loco was not listed in the 2005 Greenberg guide, the only place I could think of that shows catalog numbers of set items. However, if you e-mail Lionel noting the set number and asking for the loco's part number, they should be able to identify it (they ID'd one for me).
I expect the number will start with 286 (i.e., 286XX). Similar cataloged locos are 28615, 28626. and 28637.
It indeed is the Hobo set. I have the whole set and it is very nice. I tried to get to the set, but it is at the bottom of a very large stack of other Lionel boxes. You may have a hard time finding the tender separately. You may want to give The Train Station in NJ a call (they advertise in CTT). They are who I got my set from and I know they have broken some sets up for their auction site. The set includes a Lackawanna double door boxcar with hobo figure, gondola with load and cop and hobo figure chasing each other, caboose, hobo campfire, and a operating hobo handcar. This also comes with the transformer and loop of track. If you do find a whole set, check the transformer as mine was one of the defective CW80s but Lionel sent a new one without question.
Dennis
PS: I had heard that this was one of the engines that was caught in the legal battle with MTH. That may be part of the reason it is no longer available. You can find it every now and then, but the $$$ figure is going up.
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