I need some ID's and info please

[JimM]

Here are some items that were given to me from a friend and I don't know what some of them are. I am not selling this stuff, I just would like some info about them... OR, at least part numbers...

Have any idea what this is for...?

Any info on this?

I have NO idea what this is or does, but it IS a Lionel part (no part number)

I know that the bells are #69, but I don't have the SIGN that attaches to it, ALSO, do you know if it is supposed to have a cover over the mechanism?

Not sure about this box either...

Thanks for your help!

Jim

[CSXect]

Not sure what any of this is, the first pictures look like something made for standard gauge.

[Joe Hohmann]

The schoolhouse is a bank. You can search eBay to see what they are going for...I'd guess $10. since I've seen them pop-up often. Joe

[zwbob]

The lionel thingy is for the operating brakeman boxcar. It fits under the track and the shoe on the bottom of the car picks up the juice to make the brakeman lay down or get up.

[CSXect]

The switch turnout thing looks like a two rail turnout for a windup or battery op train?????

[Anonymous]

The photo 7th from the top is a Lionel #76/076 block signal made 1923-1929.  It's missing both it's 4 sided lens caps.

Bruce Webster

[mersenne6]

First item is a Marx block signal #404

Second item is a Marx yard light #416

Fifth item is the clamp bracket for the telltale for the Lionel brakeman set

Eighth items are models of the LCL carloads but I don't know the manufacturer

Ninth item is a Marx crossing gate #438

#69 should have the diamond and there should be cover for the ringer

#1166 - isn't - it is actually #9911 - box for AF prewar aluminum zephyr baggage car

 

[pbjwilson]

First item is a Marx block signal #404

Second item is a Marx yard light #416

Fifth item is the clamp bracket for the telltale for the Lionel brakeman set

Eighth items are models of the LCL carloads but I don't know the manufacturer

Ninth item is a Marx crossing gate #438

#69 should have the diamond and there should be cover for the ringer

#1166 - isn't - it is actually #9911 - box for AF prewar aluminum zephyr baggage car

 

You are correct sir. We have a winner. Advance to Lionelville and collect your prize!

[JimM]

Thanks for all the ID'ing for me guys.

A bank... Ha Ha, I thought that hole in the bottom was for a light.... or sound/bell thingy. But a bank, nope, I never thought of that! (explains the slot in the top of it...)  

I Never thought about turning the box over.... just assumed it was 1166... HAHA

Are repro parts available for any of the Lionel stuff? Such as the 4 sided lens caps for the 076 lights? OR the parts that are missing from the #69 ringer? OR, how about Marx stuff? repro parts?

Are the Marx block signals missing anything? How do they work?... I mean, do they just light up? there are levers on the side that I don't know what they do.

I never gave it a thought that some of this stuff was Marx either... I also have this Marx (printed on the side) Watchman that is in a shack. The gate is missing too. Here is a pict of that too that I forgot to add before.

I am not sure about the transformer either.... it has a "B" on it.

Thanks again for the help!

Jim

[lionelsoni]

You'll never believe this, but the transformer with a "B" on it is...a Lionel type B prewar "Multivolt" transformer!  "Transformer will operate 'O' gauge outfit, and in addition the extra binding posts enable the user to light up lamp-posts, semaphores and other electrically illuminated accessories.  For 110 volts, 60 cycles.  50 watts capacity....A fully guaranteed transformer at a very popular price.  [$5 in 1929]"  Your transformer is missing the "approved, separable plug, which is a distinct advantage over the one-piece plug, because the circuit can be immediately broken."

The Marx signal can be set to green, yellow, or red with the switch on the base.  When green, it lets the train pass.  When yellow, it slows the train down.  When red, it stops the train.  Here's more description:

http://www.thortrains.net/maracc6.html

 

[mersenne6]

 

 Advance to Lionelville?????  With all of that Marx???? Wouldn't Oak Park, Girard, or Glendale be a more appropriate destination???

[JimM]

You'll never believe this, but the transformer with a "B" on it is...a Lionel type B prewar "Multivolt" transformer!  "Transformer will operate 'O' gauge outfit, and in addition the extra binding posts enable the user to light up lamp-posts, semaphores and other electrically illuminated accessories.  For 110 volts, 60 cycles.  50 watts capacity....A fully guaranteed transformer at a very popular price.  [$5 in 1929]"  Your transformer is missing the "approved, separable plug, which is a distinct advantage over the one-piece plug, because the circuit can be immediately broken."

The Marx signal can be set to green, yellow, or red with the switch on the base.  When green, it lets the train pass.  When yellow, it slows the train down.  When red, it stops the train.  Here's more description:

http://www.thortrains.net/maracc6.html

 

 

Thanks for that link to the Marx Signal! Great stuff! I will have to see about getting those Marx block signals working.  Are the bulbs different colors, or are there supposed to be lenses and such?

As for the transformer, I didn't realize that was so old (although, it does look it). What do you mean by "seperable plug"? You mean the part that plugs into the wall? Or was there another plug wire that goes with it? Are there instructions available on how to use/wire it with a 027 layout? OR, should I just set it on the shelf as a "historic" piece?

Thanks again!

Jim

[philo426]

The red and black searchlite tower is made by Marx)I know, I have one just like it).Mine was crudely brush-painted when I picked it up so I stripped it down,re-wired it and painted it red and silver very cool indeed.

[JimM]

The red and black searchlite tower is made by Marx)I know, I have one just like it).Mine was crudely brush-painted when I picked it up so I stripped it down,re-wired it and painted it red and silver very cool indeed.

That is what I plan on doing with a couple of these... as long as the paint isn't too bad, then I will leave it alone. Then, rewire and make them useable again.

Jim

[lionelsoni]

In the early days of electricity, houses were wired with Edison screw sockets for incandescent lights.  When the early electrical appliances came along, they were wired with screw-type plugs shaped just like the light-bulb bases, but on the end of the cord.  The Lionel transformer came with the new-fangled two-blade plug that yours has and an adapter which converted it into a screw plug.  That's what they're talking about.

I haven't seen this stuff around for many years; but, when I was a kid, such adapters were common, as well as ones for screwing between the ceiling fixture and the light bulb, but with a couple of two-blade outlets on the sides.  I remember taking a screw-type outlet out of a baseboard when rewiring my grandmother's house long ago.

That Marx signal is meant to have three exposed colored lamps.  I have an example, in almost pristine shape of a really nice three-lamp design in which the colored lamps are inside the signal head, but with their ends just bulging through the front plate.  There are also visors over the lamps.

I'll see whether I can find more details about the transformer connections this evening.

[JimM]

In the early days of electricity, houses were wired with Edison screw sockets for incandescent lights.  When the early electrical appliances came along, they were wired with screw-type plugs shaped just like the light-bulb bases, but on the end of the cord.  The Lionel transformer came with the new-fangled two-blade plug that yours has and an adapter which converted it into a screw plug.  That's what they're talking about.

I haven't seen this stuff around for many years; but, when I was a kid, such adapters were common, as well as ones for screwing between the ceiling fixture and the light bulb, but with a couple of two-blade outlets on the sides.  I remember taking a screw-type outlet out of a baseboard when rewiring my grandmother's house long ago.

That Marx signal is meant to have three exposed colored lamps.  I have an example, in almost pristine shape of a really nice three-lamp design in which the colored lamps are inside the signal head, but with their ends just bulging through the front plate.  There are also visors over the lamps.

I'll see whether I can find more details about the transformer connections this evening.

Thanks for filling me in on that and for looking for more details on the transformer too!  I had no idea about the screw plug adapters.

Thanks for letting me know about the visors too! I will try to find some bulbs and leave it at that. I doubt I could ever find the visors.

Jim

[lionelsoni]

I wasn't clear about the visors.  Your signal should not have any, just naked colored lamps sticking out.  The visors are on the one of mine that I described and fastened to the front plate that covers the lamps.  It looks somewhat like this one, but with three lights:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MARX-O-SCALE-POSTWAR-AUTOMATIC-SIGNAL_W0QQitemZ190081146760QQihZ009QQcategoryZ4146QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[lionelsoni]

Here are the voltages for the type-B transformer:

A to B--7 volts

B to C--8 volts

C to leftmost stud--2 volts

Between each pair of adjacent studs--2 volts

U is the wiper that moves across the studs.  So, using A as common, A to U is variable from 17 to 25 volts.  Using B as common, B to U is 10 to 18 volts.  Using C as common, C to U is 2 to 10 volts.  It looks like B-U is reasonable for most modern trains.

[dennyblock]

You can get marx parts here,               http://www.trainpartsformarx.com/

[JimM]

Thanks Bob for the update on the transformer! and also what the light shields looks like. Now at least, I don't have to worry about getting shields for them. (thats good) Just bulbs.

Denny, Thanks for the link to the Marx parts! Great site.

Jim

[lionelsoni]

By the way, Marx signals, like Lionel, are upside down--green on the bottom.  But you probably would have figured that out once you had the lamps and tried it out.

[mersenne6]

 

  It took a little longer but #2 is a Hafner switch.  Hafner made nothing but clockwork so two rail is to be expected.

[JimM]

Thanks for Identifying that switch. Of course, it is the only piece of that type of track I have, but at least this ends the mystery!

Jim