F3 2353..motor question.

[andregg1]

Hi
I bought a 2353 f3 unit, and I noticed that it has some little diferences with the 2343
motor, like the middle connector and the idler gear rivet.
Does anyone have any ideas about?
Thanks guys
Andre.

[msacco]

I have the 2354 NYC and it should be very similiar. NOt sure what you mean by the middle connector, but Lionel did install a nylon idler gear in many of these.
The nylon gear was supposed to help quiet the horizontal motors. The gear has a retaining ring on end of the shaft I believe.
THis change took place in '54 and '55 only.

Mike Sacco

[lionel2986]

I have always like Lionel F3s, specifically the Santa Fe's color scheme. Do you guys know of a website with information on the various F3's Lionel built? Pros and cons of each different year?

[mitchelr]

Take a look at:

http://www.postwarlionel.com/index.html

This site is the most comprehensive easiest to use reference that I have found for PostWar trains. Wi***here was a similar site for PreWar.

Mitch[swg]

[msacco]

Personally, I prefer the early F3s. The horizontal motor ones. Noisy and known as "growlers" they are really well-crafted early models. I love working on them because it's all so easy to take apart and you really get a feel for the 'old days" of made in America craftsmanship. There have been a lot of F3s made by various companies but I think these still look the best. I must be correct, because MTH has basically ripped these off for their F3 models.

Mike Sacco

[lionel2986]

Thanks for the link! What kind of cars went along with these early F3s I'm assuming you mean the 2343 are the growlers? Did lionel sell the 2343 with a set of cars?

I have some trains I would like to sell to make room for new trains. Can I list them on these forums I cant find a classified section?

[Frank53]

You can list them here:

http://www.modeltrainjournal.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=11

[Anonymous]

lionel2986,

The OGR forum also has a section dedicated to buying and selling.

The "really big shew" is on the well-known auction house eB@y, which is also a good starting-point for information on specific train items -- especially now that most items are pictured. You don't have to be a member to browse. (You cannot inadvertently bid on anything unless you go through the elaborate registration process, so browse away.)

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andregg1,

Often the simplest way to research a toy train item is to type it in to Google.com, using the manufacturer's name and model number or a few key words.

The "Library" at the Olsen's Toy Trains website has a wealth of information about various Lionel "postwar" models and some others. See this site and look for the link to the library at the bottom right corner.

http://pictures.olsenstoy.com/

wolverine49

[andregg1]

Hi guys
I attatched some pictures about the motor.
thanks for help me, but I am still clueless


The first one show the rivet in the idler gear.
The second one show the middle conector.
Some ideas??????
thanks again to everyone
BTW Both gear are not the same metal as 2343 motor.
Andre.

[Anonymous]

Andre,

The middle connector is the place where the wire from the field and the wire from the eunit are soldered to. The connector is part of the oil wick retainer which is riveted to the brush plate. This brush plate is the same part that was used in the 622 switcher and the 773 hudson. You could also use this brush plate in a 681,682,736,746,671RR, or 726RR by removing the oil wick, wick retainer, and the center bearing.


Jim

[andregg1]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jimtrumpie

Andre,

The middle connector is the place where the wire from the field and the wire from the eunit are soldered to. The connector is part of the oil wick

Jim

Thank for the information Jim.
My cuestion is why this motor is differen to the rest.
Andre.

[msacco]

Andre,
I've never seen anyting like that rivet before. On first glance I thought it was the nylon gear with outer plastic ridge broken all around and the retaining ring remaining. This I have seen that before. But it looks like this is a metal idler gear. Is it?

Mike Sacco

[Anonymous]

I'm not familiar with the 2353, but after seieng your photos, I'm starting to think that this motor originally had a nylon idler that was at some point replaced with a metal idler. It appears as if the repairman used a rivit to secure the new metal idler.

[andregg1]

QUOTE: Originally posted by msacco

Andre,
I've never seen anyting like that rivet before. On first glance I thought it was the nylon gear with outer plastic ridge broken all around and the retaining ring remaining. This I have seen that before. But it looks like this is a metal idler gear. Is it?

Mike Sacco

Yes, both are metal. About the middle connector what do you think?
Andre.

[msacco]

The middle connector is exactly what I have on both of my 2354s' motors. I think South2027 is right, nylon gear was replaced. It makes the most sense.

Mike Sacco