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old train set
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 7:50 PM
High I have an old train set that was given to me by my uncle that got it from his uncle can you help me value the item.

It is a Marx Mechanical Diesel train set in the original box with original directions. It has a price tag of $2.98 on it.

Any help would be appreciated

Michael .C
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Posted by Algonquin on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 10:11 PM
Hi Michael,

If you can provide more details on the set and its components we may be able to identify when the set was made and its current value. The following information would help:

Set number off the box.
Wording on the box.
description of each train car in the set including the type of car (hopper, box, caboose) color, wording and numbering on car.
Information labled on transformer.
Any instruction sheet included.

Tim P.

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Posted by Algonquin on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:07 AM
Hi Michael,

A couple more things.

Condition is also very important. There are a couple nice article on the internet to help you better understand the toy train market and pricing.

Allen W. Miller has a nice article on the Lionel.com site. See the following address:

http://www.lionel.com/central/index.html

Look under “Resources” then “guidelines for Collectors”

There is also an article here on the Trains.com site that provides similar information. See the following address:

http://www.trains.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/000/692esnya.asp

Tim P.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:08 PM
I will get the information tonight and post it to the site thank you for the information!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 7:06 PM
I do not see a set number anywhere

Wording on the box top

Description and wording on box top

Marx
Michanical Diesel Train Set

ON TIME

Louis Marx & CO .. INC., 200 5th AVE.,N.Y.,n.Y., U.S.A.
“WORLDS’S LARGEST MANUFACTURER OF TOYS”

The box top is red black and brown it has a picture of a train leaving a city with a guy marking down the time of the train or something

The long sides of the box have the following text

Side 1 :
The Marx Train Set contained herein is manufactured under and protected by one or more of the following patents:

No. 1,952,713 No. 2,131,877 No. 2,226,875 No. 2,277,455
No. 1,956,954 No. 2,167,249 No. 2,233,075 No. 2,327,509

ALL INQUIRIES REGARDING REPAIRS OR SERVICE SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO
LOUIS MARX & CO. INC.
SERVICE DIVISION
GIRARD, PENNSYLVANIA

Side 2:

ONE OF THE MANY MARX TOYS HAVE YOU ALL OF THEM?

The short sides of the box have the following text(same for both ends)

Side 1:
MECHANICAL DIESEL TRAIN SET NO.

Engine is a green, yellow and black and has the words SEABOARD and the number 4000

It also has MADE BY MARX on it.

Car #1 is green yellow and black it has PULLMAN MONTCLAIR on it

Is also has a round decaled type item that says MADE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NEW YOURK N.Y. MAR TOYS (with an X though the Mar to make up Marx)

Car #2 is green yellow and black it has PULLMAN MONTCLAIR on it

Is also has a round decaled type item that says MADE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NEW YOURK N.Y. MAR TOYS (with an X though the Mar to make up Marx)

Car #3 is green yellow and black it has PULLMAN BOGOTA on it

Is also has a round decaled type item that says MADE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NEW YOURK N.Y. MAR TOYS (with an X though the Mar to make up Marx)


Instruction sheet is as follows

Form No. IS-146

READ INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY

STREAMLINE
MECHANICAL TRAIN SET

* * *
ASSEMBLY OF TRACK

1. Assemble the section of track into a circle or oval by inserting the pins of one section into the end of the rails of the next section.l Pu***he sections together as far as they will go. Do not squeeze the rails together or spread them, as theis may change the gauge of the track.
OPERATION OF TRAIN

1. Insert winder key into the winder bushing through the hole on the left side of the locomotive.
2. Turn key to right to wind locomotive.
3. It is best to have brake lever in forward or “stop” position, when winding locomotive.
4. To start the train pull back on brake lever, which is located on top of the locomotive.
5. To stop the train, push forward on the same lever
6. Train will run faster after locomotive has been broken in by running a few times.
7. If locomotive runs too fast, do not wind up completely.

CARE OF LOCOMOTIVE, CARS AND TRACK
1. Locomotive gears, pinions, and axles should be oiled frequently with a few drops of light oil.
2. After oiling wipe the wheels with a dry cloth to remove dirt and oil, as surface of wheels must be clean and dry to run properly.
3. Oil car wheels and axles with a few drops of light oil
4. Be sure that each wheel runs freely.
5. Keep the track clean by wiping the rails with a dry cloth to remove any oil or dirt. This provides better traction and assures most efficient operation of the set.

A LIST OF FIVE “DON’TS” FOR THIS TRAIN

DON’T-Attempt to run your train before reading the instructions. (I guess I have done that now!!!)
DON’T-Spread the rails or squeeze them together.
DON’T-Try to operate unless all wheels are on the track.
DON’T-Forget to lubricate the locomotive and cars after running for any Length of time.
DON’T-Forget to keep locomotive wheels and track clean and free of oil and dirt.

THIS TRAIN HAS BEEN MADE TO GIVE YOU LONG AND EFFICIENT SERVICE. HANDLE IT WITH CARE TO AVOID ANY DAMAGE WHICH MIGHT RESULT FROM A FALL OR OTHER ROUGH HANDLING.

MADE IN U.S.A. BY
LOUIS MARX & CO. INC.

All inquiries regarding repairs or service, should be addressed to
SERVICE DIVISION, GIRARD, PA.

There is also a packing slip with packing number 3 307 0 that reads

In case merchandise is not satisfactory please return this Packing Slip with your complaint.
Form IS - 71




thanks for your help could you give me a time frame of when it was made?
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Posted by Algonquin on Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:58 AM
Hi Michael,

Thanks for posting such a detailed description. I am primarilly a Lionel collector, but I do have a small collection of Marx tin trains. I will be seeing some of my Marx collecting freinds on Saturday. I will pump them for information relative to your set and I can look at their Marx collectors guides. I will post what I find out Saturday night.

I the meantime, you may want to search the current E-bay listings for Marx. I looked quickly and there are currently several versions of the "Bogota" and "Montclair" passenger cars there with photos.

Tim P.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 29, 2001 7:44 PM
Thanks!

Michael .C
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Posted by Algonquin on Friday, March 30, 2001 10:55 PM
Hi Michael,

I was surfing the net tonight and came upon the following web address:

http://members.home.net/marxtin.site/sbdset.htm

It shows a Marx set that appears to be the same as the one you have. Let me know if this is the one you have.

Tim P.

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Posted by Algonquin on Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:35 PM
Hi Michael,

I was able to get a copy of "Greenberg's Guide to Marx Trains, Volume III Sets". The volume I have is from 1991. Your specific set is not specifically listed. The forward indicates that not as much is known about Marx production as is know about Lionel and American Flyer. But there is quite a lot of information in the book that can help identify your set.

The book states that freight sets were much more popular than passenger sets. That tends to indicate that passenger sets today may be more collectable today than the freights. It also means there is less information about Marx's passenger set production.

There are three mechanical diesel freight sets identified in the above book that incorporate the Seaboard diesel.

Set# 732 Diesel Freight Set
Locomotive: 4000, Seaboard, FM, A-Unit, Tin litographed
Boxcar: 37971 PRR merchandise
Gondola: 241708, B&O
Gondola: 91257, Seaboard, red
Caboose: 956 Seaboard
Track: 027, two rail
Set includes 500 key. IS-71 and IS-146 instruction sheets
Comes in a yellow and red box and was cataloged in 1956

They have a photo of the set and the box is exactly the same cover as you described in your post above. The values of this set were $40 in very good condition and $70 in excellent condition.

Set# 734(B) Diesel Freight Set
Locomotive: 4000, Seaboard, FM, AA-Units, Tin litographed
Gondola: 241708, B&O
Tank Car: 553, UTLX, silver
Caboose: 956 Seaboard, green
Track: 027, two rail
Set includes 500 key. IS-71 and IS-146 instruction sheets
Comes in a yellow and red box, 1950s

They also have a photo of the set and the box is exactly the same cover as you described in your post above. The values of this set were $60 in very good condition and $110 in excellent condition.

Set# 793 Diesel Freight Set
Locomotive: 4000, Seaboard, FM, AA-Units, Tin litographed
Gondola: 241708, B&O
Tank Car: 553, UTLX, silver
Caboose: 20102, NYC, red and gray or956, Seaboard
Track: 027, two rail, figure 8
Set includes 500 key. IS-146 instruction sheets
Comes in a yellow and red box, 1954-55 Allied Catalog for $5.

The values of this set were $70 in very good condition and $125 in excellent condition.

Based on the above information, it appears that your set is from the mid fifties. My guess at value would be a little higher than the freight sets since passenger set appear to be more rare.

I hop this infomation helps.

Tim P.

A penny saved is a penny earned. But every once in a while it is good to treat yourself to a gum ball.

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