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SUNDAY PUZZLE FUN 10-10-21 S. T. P. PART 1
Posted by pennytrains on Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:06 PM

S. T. P. PART 1
59 WORDS

  1. “What in the world is she talking about?????” is what you may be asking yourself upon reading the title of this puzzle.  “Wasn’t that the name of a rock band or a fuel additive?”  Well, yes.  Correct on both accounts.  But, they’re also classes of (_ _ _ - _ _ _ _ - _ _ _ _ _ _ _) System (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) locomotives (and more) that Lionel, Flyer and (_ _ _ _) modeled in the pre world war 2 years.
  2. Of the three manufacturers, only (_ _ _ _ _) modeled the P - Class.  Or, I should say, a (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) “similar to” the NYC P - Motor.  But is it?
  3. Start with the (_ _ _ _ _ _ _) description: “Modeled after the (_ _ _ _ _ _) 20th Century (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ ‘ _) finest.”  So, we know we’re looking for a loco that pulled NYC’s top all (_ _ _ _ _ _ _), (_ _ _ _ _ _ _) train in 1927 when the No. 4687 appeared in Flyerville.
  4. Out of (_ _ _ _ _) Central Terminal, the Century was hauled to Harmon by T - Motors in 1927.  The “T’s”, the (_ _ _ _ _ _) NYC loco to be classed as such, were built by (_ _ _ _) - GE between 1913 and 1926.  They had a B - B + B - B wheel arrangement (that’s an 0 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 0 in Whyte’s steam parlance) and ran on (_ _ _ _ _) rail 660 volt DC motors on all axles.  This suggests the No. 4687 is a T - Motor, not a P - Motor.
  5. But wait, the catalogs also say “modeled after the (_ _ _ _ _ _) New York Central 12 - wheeler.”  Looking again at the NYC locomotive roster, only the early T - Class locos had 12 wheels in a 1 - D - 1 (2 - 8 - 2) wheel arrangement.  After a 1907 derailment, the T’s received 4 wheel guide (_ _ _ _ _ _) to prevent the kind of rail spreading that took 36 lives in 1907.
  6. Therefore, after 1907 there were no NYC electric “12 - wheelers” to model.  Besides, the T - (_ _ _ _ _ _) became the S - Class in 1910 and neither the early T or eventual S class locos were a (_ _ _ _ _ _) like the Flyer 4687.  So, at least as far as the number of (_ _ _ _ _ _) is concerned, the 4687 and it’s progeny fit the definition of (_ _ _) more closely than (_ _ _ _ _).  (But that should be obvious anyways.)
  7. But can we call the Flyer locos P - Motors?  I say yes.  And here’s why.  The (_ _ _ _ _ _) No. 8 locos definitely used NYC T - Class boxcabs for their inspiration.  Using that logic, we can say that Flyer’s Nos. 4000, 4019, 4039, 4667, 4677 & 4678 0 - B - 0 locos used the same (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) as Lionel’s, although Flyer’s (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) are a bit large.
  8. Lionel omitted the (_ _ _ _ _ _ _) from the ends of the (_ _ _) that make the A.F. locos more accurate.  Plus, they have the drum - like (_ _ _ _) boxes on each pilot (_ _ _ _) where Lionel’s locos had (_ _ _ _) holders.  More curious are the (_ _ _ _ _) on Lionel’s 9, 9E & 9U.  No NYC T or P Class loco had doors on it’s (_ _ _ _ _).  Entry was always through a door in either end of the cab.
  9. Giving the “T” distinction to the (_ _ _) Flyer 4 - wheelers leaves the P - Class designation open for A.F.‘s top - of - the - line 2 - B - 2’s.  But, what is an NYC P - Class locomotive anyways?  And why would a (_ _ _ _ _ _ _) based toy manufacturer want to model one in 1927?
  10. The P - 1a and P - 1b (_ _ _ _ _) locomotives were built in 1929 and 30 by Alco - GE for operation on the 17 mile, 3,000 volt (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) Union Terminal line between Collinwood and Linndale Ohio.  These were the (_ _ _ _ _) 2 - C + C - 2 locos built and had a starting (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) effort of 90,000 pounds.  They, unlike GCT - Harmon trains, ran on (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _), not third rail.  (The short overhead sections requiring pantographs on the New York line were called “(_ _ _ _ _ _) rail.”)
  11. I believe it’s reasonable to assume that Alco, GE & NYC, the latter owning 90% of CUT (_ _ _ _ _), would have been working on the design of the P - Motors in 1927 when Flyer’s 2 - B - 2 appeared.  Since the boxcab T - Motors had been around since 1913, they don’t exactly fit the description “modeled after the latest New York Central 12 - wheeler” used in the catalogs.  Wheel arrangement notwithstanding.
  12. Certainly by 1928, when the (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) No. 4689 “(_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _)” began pulling the (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) Special Pullmans, Flyer’s top - of  -the - line electric deserved to be compared with NYC’s (_ _ _ _ _ _ _) and (_ _ _ _ _ _ _) traction locomotive!
  13. (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) in two - tone Rolls - Royce (_ _ _ _), or (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) plated for the (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) set, the 4689 featured Flyer’s “(_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) Ringing Bell”, a brass (_ _ _ _ _) on the front pilot deck and A.F.’s “(_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) Triple Action (_ _ _ _ _ _) Control Reverse” mechanism.
  14. There’s just one final rub that’s hard to overcome.  The P - 1a’s never pulled the 20th (_ _ _ _ _ _ _) Limited.  The train was serviced at Collinwood between 11:06 and 11:11pm eastbound and 4:06 and 4:11am westbound.  Five minutes on the (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) for crew change and exchange of (_ _ _ _).  It wasn’t until 1953 when NYC moved the P’s to Harmon for rebuilding as third rail locos that the Central reclassed them as P - 2’s and they began regularly pulling the Century.
  15. So, why would (_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) Flyer choose an NYC boxcab for it’s top - of - the - line electric loco?  I believe it’s because Lionel had dominated the “S - Class” corner of the market since 1910, 15 years before A. F. entered the (_ _ _ _) Gauge market with the 4000 & 4019 locos.  And while the No. 3245R didn’t arrive in the Ives catalog until 1928, by concentrating on the prototype William Coleman’s company did, it gave them a strong contender for the lucrative New York City toy train market.

To be continued...

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Posted by pennytrains on Saturday, October 16, 2021 5:55 PM

S. T. P. PART 1
59 WORDS

  1. “What in the world is she talking about?????” is what you may be asking yourself upon reading the title of this puzzle.  “Wasn’t that the name of a rock band or a fuel additive?”  Well, yes.  Correct on both accounts.  But, they’re also classes of (NEW - YORK - CENTRAL) System (ELECTRIC) locomotives (and more) that Lionel, Flyer and (IVES) modeled in the pre world war 2 years.
  2. Of the three manufacturers, only (FLYER) modeled the P - Class.  Or, I should say, a (LOCOMOTIVE) “similar to” the NYC P - Motor.  But is it?
  3. Start with the (CATALOG) description: “Modeled after the (FAMOUS) 20th Century (AMERICA ‘ S) finest.”  So, we know we’re looking for a loco that pulled NYC’s top all (PULLMAN), (LIMITED) train in 1927 when the No. 4687 appeared in Flyerville.
  4. Out of (GRAND) Central Terminal, the Century was hauled to Harmon by T - Motors in 1927.  The “T’s”, the (SECOND) NYC loco to be classed as such, were built by (ALCO) - GE between 1913 and 1926.  They had a B - B + B - B wheel arrangement (that’s an 0 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 0 in Whyte’s steam parlance) and ran on (THIRD) rail 660 volt DC motors on all axles.  This suggests the No. 4687 is a T - Motor, not a P - Motor.
  5. But wait, the catalogs also say “modeled after the (LATEST) New York Central 12 - wheeler.”  Looking again at the NYC locomotive roster, only the early T - Class locos had 12 wheels in a 1 - D - 1 (2 - 8 - 2) wheel arrangement.  After a 1907 derailment, the T’s received 4 wheel guide (TRUCKS) to prevent the kind of rail spreading that took 36 lives in 1907.
  6. Therefore, after 1907 there were no NYC electric “12 - wheelers” to model.  Besides, the T - (MOTORS) became the S - Class in 1910 and neither the early T or eventual S class locos were a (BOXCAB) like the Flyer 4687.  So, at least as far as the number of (WHEELS) is concerned, the 4687 and it’s progeny fit the definition of (TOY) more closely than (MODEL).  (But that should be obvious anyways.)
  7. But can we call the Flyer locos P - Motors?  I say yes.  And here’s why.  The (LIONEL) No. 8 locos definitely used NYC T - Class boxcabs for their inspiration.  Using that logic, we can say that Flyer’s Nos. 4000, 4019, 4039, 4667, 4677 & 4678 0 - B - 0 locos used the same (PROTOTYPE) as Lionel’s, although Flyer’s (PANTOGRAPHS) are a bit large.
  8. Lionel omitted the (LADDERS) from the ends of the (CAB) that make the A.F. locos more accurate.  Plus, they have the drum - like (SAND) boxes on each pilot (DECK) where Lionel’s locos had (FLAG) holders.  More curious are the (DOORS) on Lionel’s 9, 9E & 9U.  No NYC T or P Class loco had doors on it’s (SIDES).  Entry was always through a door in either end of the cab.
  9. Giving the “T” distinction to the (SIX) Flyer 4 - wheelers leaves the P - Class designation open for A.F.‘s top - of - the - line 2 - B - 2’s.  But, what is an NYC P - Class locomotive anyways?  And why would a (CHICAGO) based toy manufacturer want to model one in 1927?
  10. The P - 1a and P - 1b (CLASS) locomotives were built in 1929 and 30 by Alco - GE for operation on the 17 mile, 3,000 volt (CLEVELAND) Union Terminal line between Collinwood and Linndale Ohio.  These were the (FIRST) 2 - C + C - 2 locos built and had a starting (TRACTIVE) effort of 90,000 pounds.  They, unlike GCT - Harmon trains, ran on (CATENARY), not third rail.  (The short overhead sections requiring pantographs on the New York line were called “(FOURTH) rail.”)
  11. I believe it’s reasonable to assume that Alco, GE & NYC, the latter owning 90% of CUT (STOCK), would have been working on the design of the P - Motors in 1927 when Flyer’s 2 - B - 2 appeared.  Since the boxcab T - Motors had been around since 1913, they don’t exactly fit the description “modeled after the latest New York Central 12 - wheeler” used in the catalogs.  Wheel arrangement notwithstanding.
  12. Certainly by 1928, when the (MAGNIFICENT) No. 4689 “(COMMANDER)” began pulling the (PRESIDENTS) Special Pullmans, Flyer’s top - of  -the - line electric deserved to be compared with NYC’s (BIGGEST) and (BADDEST) traction locomotive!
  13. (ENAMELED) in two - tone Rolls - Royce (BLUE), or (CHROMIUM) plated for the (MAYFLOWER) set, the 4689 featured Flyer’s “(PATENTED) Ringing Bell”, a brass (EAGLE) on the front pilot deck and A.F.’s “(EXCLUSIVE) Triple Action (REMOTE) Control Reverse” mechanism.
  14. There’s just one final rub that’s hard to overcome.  The P - 1a’s never pulled the 20th (CENTURY) Limited.  The train was serviced at Collinwood between 11:06 and 11:11pm eastbound and 4:06 and 4:11am westbound.  Five minutes on the (TIMETABLE) for crew change and exchange of (MAIL).  It wasn’t until 1953 when NYC moved the P’s to Harmon for rebuilding as third rail locos that the Central reclassed them as P - 2’s and they began regularly pulling the Century.
  15. So, why would (AMERICAN) Flyer choose an NYC boxcab for it’s top - of - the - line electric loco?  I believe it’s because Lionel had dominated the “S - Class” corner of the market since 1910, 15 years before A. F. entered the (WIDE) Gauge market with the 4000 & 4019 locos.  And while the No. 3245R didn’t arrive in the Ives catalog until 1928, by concentrating on the prototype William Coleman’s company did, it gave them a strong contender for the lucrative New York City toy train market.

To be continued...

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