Tender / part ID help

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Tender / part ID help
Posted by Jdt141 on Thursday, November 29, 2018 4:05 PM

Hi all,

 

looking for for some help in identifying this tender frame with whistle I got on eBay. I bought it with the intent of putting it into an existing tender (non whistle) to make the kids happy, but it didn’t fit. I’d like to identify part I need to complete it (the cap?) and make it a nice tender I can use.

the frame is precisely 7” long by 2 1/16” wide. There are no part numbers of any kind I can find on it. It does appear to be a Lionel whistle from the pictures I can find online. I would post a picture but can’t seem to figure out how to do that on this site. thanks in advance!

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Posted by Michael6268 on Friday, November 30, 2018 5:37 PM

You're not giving anything to go by. Maybe a item number of a duplicate item on eBay seeing you can't post pictures. Don't feel bad. Most people can't on this site.

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Posted by lionelsoni on Friday, November 30, 2018 7:40 PM

How many wheels?  What kind of sideframes?  What kind of coupler?  Plastic or metal whistle?  Wheels loose on axles or fixed?  Cylindrical or conical wheels?

Bob Nelson

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Posted by Jdt141 on Friday, November 30, 2018 7:57 PM

8 total wheels. The frame is all metal. No idea what kind of couplers these are or how to tell. I also don’t know the answers to the rest of your questions. Here is a picture: 

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28777419@N07/45211349915/

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Posted by TrainLarry on Saturday, December 01, 2018 5:37 PM

It looks to be a 6026 tender. See here for a parts view. The motor and relay mounting match, as do the coupler and trucks.

 

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Posted by Jdt141 on Sunday, December 02, 2018 12:45 PM

Is it possible that this is a 6026 whistle on a standard gauge frame? I measured several other cars from (post war and MPC eras) and none were as wide as the 2 1/8” this measures...????

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Posted by lionelsoni on Sunday, December 02, 2018 3:25 PM

The sideframes of the trucks (covering the wheels) may be cast zinc or plastic castings applied over sheet steel.

The coupler appears from your picture to be the more common (oversized) model of a Janney coupler that Lionel introduced after WW2.  The little tab on the corner shows that it is a magnetic type coupler, not the earlier electromagnetic type.

The whistle is the big rectangular box, whose material may be cast zinc (earlier) or plastic (later).

Earlier (cylindrical) wheels would spin freely on the axles and would have the same diameter across the treads; later (conical, or "fast-angle") wheels have a bigger diameter at the flange, tapering to a smaller diameter away from the flange, like prototype wheels.  Also like prototype  wheels, they are pressed tightly onto the axles and cannot turn independently.

These details can confirm or exclude hypotheses for the tender's identity.

Bob Nelson

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