Lionel alco 8351 problem

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Lionel alco 8351 problem
Posted by SteamPowered3251 on Monday, April 30, 2018 10:01 AM

my Lionel alco 8351 is having problems,( seeing how it can't even run very well) it hasn't been lubricated or serviced ever, so should I just get a new motor or what should I do. It just won't run, it will just groan at me.

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Posted by sir james I on Monday, April 30, 2018 11:45 AM

Your answer is in your question. The motor needs service. Remove the brush plate, if your careful and lift it straight up you do not have to unsolder anything. Remove clean and lube the armature, brushes. and then lube.

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Posted by KRM on Monday, April 30, 2018 12:14 PM

" it hasn't been lubricated or serviced ever "

SJ is correct. Service it!!

 You should also look at the drive gears for binding and wear, they could well be trashed depending on how much run time is on that engine. That to can cause your groan.

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Posted by teledoc on Monday, April 30, 2018 12:29 PM

It needs basic servicing, and replacing the motor is expensive. The price of new brushes, some Red & Tacky Lube, some oiling, versus a new motor...Think about it in Cost.  Here is what you need, which is a complete tutorial of how to service your exact loco:::

https://brianwowak.wordpress.com/lionel-8351-alco-tune-up/

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Posted by SteamPowered3251 on Tuesday, May 01, 2018 10:56 AM

Would this fix the problem that it has a hard time moving?

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Posted by sir james I on Tuesday, May 01, 2018 11:03 AM

You gotta start with clean & lube then go from there.

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Posted by SteamPowered3251 on Wednesday, May 02, 2018 8:49 AM

Also, let's say I get it working, would it be worth coverting to tmcc?

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Posted by sir james I on Wednesday, May 02, 2018 12:52 PM

No it's a 50 dollar engine put TMCC in something nicer.

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Posted by SteamPowered3251 on Wednesday, May 02, 2018 12:57 PM

well then I'll probably install dcs to it then, seeing how I'm going to install command control anyway.

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Wednesday, May 02, 2018 1:33 PM

SteamPowered3251
...then I'll probably install dcs to it then...



There is no practical way to do this for under about $500.00.

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Posted by SteamPowered3251 on Wednesday, May 02, 2018 1:51 PM

thats not true.

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Posted by SteamPowered3251 on Wednesday, May 02, 2018 1:52 PM

Just buy a converter kit. There usally always about $90.00

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Posted by teledoc on Thursday, May 03, 2018 12:40 AM

Steampower,  You aren’t making much sense, about adding DCS, when you don’t appear to be able to do routine maintenance, on the motor.!!!!!!  Have you taken the mentioned advice from the other, about how to do the lubing, & oiling, brush changes???  I gave you a link, which is a step by step tutorial, on your very loco.

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Thursday, May 03, 2018 1:58 PM

SteamPowered3251
thats not true.

SteamPowered3251
Just buy a converter kit. There usally always about $90.00

Link please!

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Posted by SteamPowered3251 on Thursday, May 03, 2018 5:07 PM

I forgot to check it out

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Posted by SteamPowered3251 on Friday, May 04, 2018 7:45 AM

Here's the link, I got the price a bit wrong, but you can still do it under $500. 

https://mthtrains.com/50-1912

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Posted by SteamPowered3251 on Friday, May 04, 2018 7:47 AM

I've already started the process of cleaning, I'm just waiting for my lubricants.

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Friday, May 04, 2018 8:02 AM

SteamPowered3251
Here's the link, I got the price a bit wrong, but you can still do it under $500. 

https://mthtrains.com/50-1912

OK, that puts you maybe 1/3 of the way there. Now you have to pay for installation(~$150) at a MTH service station to get the 90 day warranty... and that's only after you modify the locomotive(~$150-$200 parts & labor) with a flywheel equipped DC permag motor.

"Will it work in other manufacturer's locomotives?"

"The Proto-Sound conversion kit was developed to upgrade older M.T.H. locomotives. However, in theory the conversion kit can be installed in locomotives produced by other manufacturers if those locomotives have the space for the electronics and utilize a DC motor with a flywheel. Because Proto-Sound  relies on specifically developed algorithms for generating scale speeds of each locomotive, there is no guarantee that the conversion kit will provide actual scale speeds when installed in other manufacturer's locomotives. The user will retain Proto-Sound's speed steps in such installations but may find that those speed steps result in different speeds for other manufacturer's engines when compared to factory-equipped Proto-Sound locomotives. In addition, like those M.T.H. steam engines not equipped with a fan-driven smoke unit, installation into other manufacturer's steam engines will not have synchronized puffing smoke."

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Posted by cwburfle on Friday, May 04, 2018 10:06 AM

According to the service article linked above, the locomotive has a manual reversing switch.
The owner could easily upgrade to an electromechanical 2 position e-unit for around $10 plus shipping (Ebay pricing, do it yourself install)

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Friday, May 04, 2018 10:18 AM

That won't get him any closer to DCS, though.

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well then I'll probably install dcs to it then, seeing how I'm going to install command control anyway.

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Posted by cwburfle on Saturday, May 05, 2018 4:48 AM

ADCX Rob

That won't get him any closer to DCS, though.

 

 

 
SteamPowered3251
well then I'll probably install dcs to it then, seeing how I'm going to install command control anyway.

 

 

Yeah, but it would give him "distant-control" for a lot less money.

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Posted by SteamPowered3251 on Tuesday, May 08, 2018 5:04 PM

I lubricated and serviced it, it is still doesn't work very well

I don't understand why it is still not working properly.

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Posted by SteamPowered3251 on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 5:02 PM

It actually is working really well, thanks for all your help!!!!

couldnt have done it without you!!!!!! 

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