lionel 397 newer coal loader help please

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lionel 397 newer coal loader help please
Posted by stratmastersteve on Monday, March 12, 2018 1:38 PM

Sorry for posting this twice but another member recommended I post my question in this form for my chances of a solution....

 

I was lucky enough to find a modern version of the 397 6-14004 coal loader and it was in like new condition and operating great. That is until I discovered there was bits of coal jammed in the conveyor belt assembly and the belt would intermittently turn when power turned on. 

So that issue I did fix by taking the conveyor and shaft assembly apart and cleaned everything out. Now the conveyor belt turns freely and nice but another problem has developed. (I do not believe it is anything I did not put back together correct and assembled and disassembled carefully.)

When I hook the hot and ground wire up to the wire posts the motor will not start. The coal loader will only work if I have the ground wire attached to one of the metal base screws. It is as if the metal base is acting as the ground and by passing the actual wire posts. 

I have it wired to my MTH 14V Z1000 transformer power supply accessory voltage with the red on\off switch. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Steve 

 
 
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Posted by BigAl 956 on Monday, March 12, 2018 3:35 PM

Here is the link to the manual. That might help.

https://www.lionelsupport.com/media/servicedocuments/71-4004-250.pdf

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Posted by KRM on Monday, March 12, 2018 3:37 PM

BigAl 956

Here is the link to the manual. That might help.

https://www.lionelsupport.com/media/servicedocuments/71-4004-250.pdf

 

You beat me to it AL, Laugh

 

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Posted by stratmastersteve on Monday, March 12, 2018 10:28 PM

Thanks I think I already looked through it when I first got it but I’ll double check. I don’t know what happened but maybe it is something I didn’t put back together correctly because it was fine until it was dismantled :(

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Posted by lionelsoni on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:42 PM

On the original 397, one of the binding posts is supposed to connect directly to the base, which is indeed part of the motor circuit.

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Posted by stratmastersteve on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:27 PM

Yes but the problem is when I try to utilize the two binding posts it does not kick on. It only kicks on when I attach the ground (black) wire to one of the two little black screws that holds a cover on the base. I was trying to upload a picture so you could see exactly what I am referring to but I don’t see any option to do that. 

Regards,

 Steve 

 
 
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Posted by lionelsoni on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:34 PM

If you restore the connection between one of the binding posts and the base (which seems to me to be the probable correct arrangement), then connecting to that binding post will be the same as connecting to the base; so the motor should run.  Check your reassembly.  Is there not a way to reassemble the binding posts so that one of them connects to the base?

Bob Nelson

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