Postwar. Boys train?

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Postwar. Boys train?
Posted by NVSRR on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:42 AM

skimming through ebay. I saw a dark blue coufin style tender.   It was identified as a 1969 production rare blue boys tender from the boys set.    Is it a gimmic or an actual rare piece from an equally rare set.   I am thinking gimmic to run up price

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Posted by Penny Trains on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:21 PM

The blue "Boy's Train" used a standard small(?) streamlined tender with a plastic shell.  There were blue tinplate tenders from the prewar era but I'm not familiar with any using the simple "coffin style" shell.

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Posted by phrankenstign on Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:11 AM

I was under the impression the Boys Set came out in the 50s.

 

Here's a picture of the third Boys Set to have come to light.  (I remember learning of the existence of only 2 sets.  I was surprised when I found this third one after doing a quick search.)

Boys Train

Perhaps one or a few Boys Sets remained in the factory until they closed their doors in 1969.  Lionel Corp. may have sold any items left over at that time to the locals at that time.  That may be why the person selling it may have attributed that year as the year of production.

 

btw  I don't recall any tender being described as "coffin-style".  Is the one in the picture above a "coffin-style"?

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Posted by Penny Trains on Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:28 PM

That's the one that's generally reffered to as a "Santa Fe type" tender.  What I think of when someone says "coffin style" is the 1689W or 1689T type like this one:

There's also the "Waffle Top" version, which is what would more likely have been painted blue, like this one here:

Or...

...the modern re-issue version.

 

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Posted by NVSRR on Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:31 PM

The one above in Phrankenstign  pic is the one pictured for sale.  The blue is brighter in this pic,  But that could be just exposure.   He has   just the tender though.  Makes me wonder where the rest is.

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Posted by KRM on Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:34 PM

Depends on "WHO" you listen to. But for post-war that style tender is what coffin style would be for me. Have also seen it called "Santa Fe style" tender. Pre-war what Penny shows is what I know as coffin style for pre-war.

I have seen them both called coffin style. So no right or wrong.

 

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Posted by NVSRR on Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:34 PM

I have always heard those type reffered to as the wagontop tender.    I wonder if it has something thing to do with regional name thing? 

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Posted by cwburfle on Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:57 PM

The blue tender shell shown in phrankenstign's photo has been reproduced. I see the repros offered on EBAY from time to time. 

I see four on EBAY right now. Some say repro right in the title. Others say repro in the details. 

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Posted by phrankenstign on Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:10 PM

NVSRR......

Can you post a pic of the coffin-style tender you mentioned?  I've never seen any other type of tender associated with the Boys Train.

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Posted by teledoc on Friday, September 15, 2017 10:38 AM

As mentioned above, it depends on which era you are dealing with.  In the Prewar trains, the 1689 & 2689 tenders were referred to as a "Coffin" style tender, with or without a whistle.  These are the rectangular box shaped tenders of Prewar. In the Postwar era, the Santa Fe style, (6026, 233, 234, & 243), were referred to as a "Coffin style" tender.  The Postwar tenders looked like a coffin was sitting on top of the tender, thus the Coffin name seemed to fit the description. The name "Wagon top" is something that, that person came up with, without knowing what to call it.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Friday, September 15, 2017 6:18 PM

By the war, the blue prewar Commodore Vanderbilt set:

was produced to take advantage of all the national hype being created by the Rexall Train of 1936:

There was a great article about it in the Summer 2017 issue of Classic Trains.  http://ctr.trains.com/issues/2017/summer-2017

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Posted by Firelock76 on Friday, September 15, 2017 6:50 PM

I've never heard of the term "coffin tender" until now, but you know, looking at those shots of the pre-war tenders they do kinda-sorta look like coffins.

At least the fancy all-bronze coffins I've seen in those photos of the big gangster funerals in the 20's and 30's!

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Posted by cwburfle on Saturday, September 16, 2017 7:21 AM

I've been in this hobby close to fifty years. I don't think I ever heard or saw a 6026 style tender called a coffin tender until this thread. On the other hand there is no official dictonary of toy train collecting in existence. 

In case I wasn't clear in my earlier post, I looked at all the "boys train" tenders / shells that were listed on EBay, every one was a repro.

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