Lionel motorized unit handrail removal

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Lionel motorized unit handrail removal
Posted by trains2353 on Sunday, March 12, 2017 3:37 PM

Besides using the correct tools which I do not have, any tricks to get the rivits out without damaging the body?

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Posted by cwburfle on Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:24 PM

Do you have a Dremel with a cut off wheel?

I just replaced a set of railings on a #41 Army Switcher a few weeks ago.
I used a special tool to keep the rivets from spinning. It is a toothed anvil. You press the head against it.
But when you don't have the special tool, or it isn't a good fit, you can use the Dremel to cut a slot into the head of the rivet. (Carefull.... don't want to cut into the plastic around it.) Then use a screwdriver to keep the head from spinning.
Doing it this way is a balancing act. I put my screwdriver in my woodvise, tip up just high enough to engage the slot while the body is resitng on a block placed on the edge of the vise / workbench.

Then use a SHARP drill bit slightly larger than the rolled over portion to cut away the roll over. Don't drill though. Drill just enough so you can use a pin punch / hammer to tap the rest out.


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Posted by trains2353 on Monday, March 13, 2017 10:56 AM

 

Sounds like a plan; I'll be trying it.

CarefullyWink

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Posted by cwburfle on Monday, March 13, 2017 5:21 PM

Watch out for heating during both the slot cutting and drilling. Don't want to melt any plastic. You may need to pause frequently.

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Posted by trains2353 on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 10:36 AM
Got the rivets out successfully. Now to punch the new rails and rivets in. Very tiny rivets. 4mm?
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Posted by cwburfle on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:22 AM

Postwar Lionel did not use metric rivets. I suggest getting the proper rivets with the replacement hand rails.

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Posted by trains2353 on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:45 PM

I have the correct rivets; just trying to find a correct size tool to set them with. 4mm appears close.

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Posted by cwburfle on Friday, March 17, 2017 7:35 AM

Did you find a suitable tool?
I cannot help you with a specific size for that rivet.
Any time I have to clinch a rivet, I test fit the rivet to my rolling clinchers.
I look for a clincher with a dome that is slightly larger than the rivet.
If the dome fits inside the rivet then the rivet will crush instead of roll.
If the dome is too large the rivet will split.

Sometimes I will use a smaller clincher to start the rolled clinch, and finish with the next larger size.

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Posted by trains2353 on Friday, March 17, 2017 11:30 AM

Thanks for the info.

I have a starter clinch; just need to find a larger one to roll it. I'll ask the techs at my part time job if they have any.

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