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Train I cannot identify. Antique Steam Locomotive, no markings. Help!

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Posted by phillyreading on Monday, June 1, 2015 8:16 AM

Looks to be European, so I would say probally Marklin.

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Posted by M636C on Monday, June 1, 2015 9:16 AM

I'm not sure that this will help, but it appears to be a model of an early production version of the Baden State Railways Type IVf, a 4-6-2 Pacific type from 1907.

It is almost certainly German and may date to before 1910, although the prototype lasted until the 1920s and became DR Class 18-2.

The Type IVf was superseded by the the larger IVh in 1915, so it is most likely the model was built before 1915.

It should have a four wheel leading truck and a conical smokebox door missing from your model.

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Monday, June 1, 2015 1:03 PM

It looks like a Marklin engine that is missing the front of the boiler, which likely would have had the Marklin logo on it.

I will try and research this a bit more when I get home this evening.  I have some European train books that might be of help in identifying it.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Monday, June 1, 2015 5:29 PM

Whoever made it, it's German all right.  That "windsplitter" cab gives it away.

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Monday, June 1, 2015 8:05 PM

Question,

What sort of power moves the engine?  Live Steam? Wind-up? Electric?

Upon searching through several books profiling European trains, I found several similar engines in Alan Levy's "A Century of Model Trains"  There were a couple of early Bing similar locomotives c. 1912 that were electrically powered and a later Bing wind-up engine c. 1927.

It appears that the missing piece on the front of the engine would be cone shaped and that your engine is also missing the front truck assembly.

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Posted by tinplatacis on Wednesday, June 3, 2015 2:45 PM

I have seen that piece before, can't currently recall the make, but I believe it was either Bing, Marklin, or (the one nagging me as the answer) Karl Bub

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Posted by mersenne6 on Wednesday, June 3, 2015 9:45 PM

I found an illustration in the 1927 Bing catalog for a 11/227/1 Express-Dampflokomotiven which is almost an exact match.  The front coupler on your engine also looks like Bing so, my guesstimate is that it is Bing.

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Posted by tinplatacis on Thursday, June 4, 2015 3:40 PM

Bing made that model in the 1920's in 1 gauge... I'd assume that they repurposed the body to make it in O gauge as well

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Posted by mersenne6 on Thursday, June 4, 2015 7:19 PM

  I forgot to state that the catalog illustration I mentioned is for an O gauge version.

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Posted by tinplatacis on Monday, June 8, 2015 5:00 PM
It is the Bing 1 Gauge body, it appears that they substituted a 6 wheel O gauge mech for the 4 wheel 1 gauge used in the early 20's

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