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Did Joshua Lionel Cowen have a personal train layout in his home?

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Did Joshua Lionel Cowen have a personal train layout in his home?
Posted by DFD26 on Friday, May 15, 2015 9:42 PM

Having heard from a TM video that J.L. Cowen was perhaps the greatest fan of his own toy train products, I was curious if he had his own personal layout.  If so, what would have been included his own collection?  Anybody know?  Thanks.

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Posted by cwburfle on Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:42 AM

According to what I have read, Mr Cowen did not have trains at home.

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Posted by stebbycentral on Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:26 AM

Obviously one could ask the same question about A. C. Gilbert, I have not heard of one at his estate but that does not mean there wasn't one.

  The one documented case that I know of concerns the original owner of American Flyer Trains back when the company was in Chicago, Il.  That was Ogden Coleman, who had three children. In the book "American Flyer" by Gerry and Janet Souter, Coleman's daughter relates that the entire third floor of the Coleman estate in Winnetka, Il was reserved for trains.  They had several layouts which were a mixture of Standard Gauge, O gauge, and even some early HO.

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Posted by DFD26 on Saturday, May 16, 2015 11:31 PM

Thank you both for your information.  I suppose J.L. Cowen was so immersed in his business that he didn't feel the need to "bring his work home".  I wonder if hobby shop owners feel the same way.  The story about Coleman is fascinating.  

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Posted by sir james I on Sunday, May 17, 2015 9:56 AM
Nothing I have read over the years would indicate that JLC had a working layout at home.

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Posted by cwburfle on Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:27 PM

I wonder if hobby shop owners feel the same way.  

I worked in an historic vaudeville / movie theater when I was younger. We had various live performances and the very occasional movie while I was employed there. I still don't look at movies and live performances the same way as I did before I worked there.

 

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Posted by DFD26 on Monday, May 18, 2015 10:15 PM

cwburfle

 

 
I wonder if hobby shop owners feel the same way.  

 

I worked in an historic vaudeville / movie theater when I was younger. We had various live performances and the very occasional movie while I was employed there. I still don't look at movies and live performances the same way as I did before I worked there.

 

 

 Fascinating.  Thank you for your observation!

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Posted by BigAl 956 on Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:10 AM

I have read very little about the personal lives of the Cowen family. Maybe thats because Father and Son were gone before collecting and any jornalism associated with it became a serious hobby. Back then the personal lives of company executives were kept personal. That being said it's hard to imagine neither Father or Son not having trains around the house, espessially if they had children at home.

I wonder, did Kalmbach or any of its competitors ever interview the Cowens?

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Posted by sir james I on Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:36 AM

I'm sure they had a few trains around the house but the question was did JLC have a layout? There is info about him and his wife/family but nothing indicates that he had a layout in his home. Actually he lived in a NYC apartment.

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Posted by cwburfle on Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:54 AM

I have read very little about the personal lives of the Cowen family. Maybe thats because Father and Son were gone before collecting and any jornalism associated with it became a serious hobby. Back then the personal lives of company executives were kept personal. That being said it's hard to imagine neither Father or Son not having trains around the house, espessially if they had children at home.

I wonder, did Kalmbach or any of its competitors ever interview the Cowens?

There certainly were people collecting trains while Mr. Cowen was alive. He passed in 1965. One of the most active writers back then had to have been Louis Hertz. I don't know whether he ever interviewed any members of the Cowen family.
The book: All Aboard by Ron Holander does contain a little information about the Cowen's, but not much.
I have read articles with anecdotal stories about Mr. Cowen, but I cannot recall the source at the moment. One story described his tinkering at home. Maybe a TCA magazine article?

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Posted by stebbycentral on Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:04 PM

Remember that these gentlemen were first and foremost businessmen.  Just because their company happened to manufacture toy trains did not mean they were personally interested in the hobby.  A. C. Gilbert  turned down the offer to purchase the American Flyer company when it was originally presented to him.  The Gilbert company was already quite successful making small home appliances, scientific toys like microscopes and chemistry sets, and of course his most popular item; the ERECTOR brand construction toy.  It was only after his business partners convinced him that a line of trains would be a good compliment to the ERECTOR set line, that he agreed to go through with the purchase.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:45 PM

If memory serves, Ron Hollander in his book "All Aboard" says ol' J.L's hobbys were deep-sea fishing and 3-D photography.

Makes sense.  With all those trains to play with at the factory, to say nothing of the New York showroom, why would he need a layout at home?

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Posted by Penny Trains on Tuesday, May 19, 2015 6:17 PM

There's a photo caption I saw in somebody's book that says something like "Like all boys of his era, Lawrence had trains to play with.  These however were for publicity."  The photo shows little Lawrence holding an early standard gauge S-Type electric and may have been taken at the same time as the famous photo of him that was used on boxes.  So that at least implies that there may have been trains around the Cowen household.

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Posted by DFD26 on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:21 PM

cwburfle

 

 

I have read very little about the personal lives of the Cowen family. Maybe thats because Father and Son were gone before collecting and any jornalism associated with it became a serious hobby. Back then the personal lives of company executives were kept personal. That being said it's hard to imagine neither Father or Son not having trains around the house, espessially if they had children at home.

I wonder, did Kalmbach or any of its competitors ever interview the Cowens?

 

There certainly were people collecting trains while Mr. Cowen was alive. He passed in 1965. One of the most active writers back then had to have been Louis Hertz. I don't know whether he ever interviewed any members of the Cowen family.
The book: All Aboard by Ron Holander does contain a little information about the Cowen's, but not much.
I have read articles with anecdotal stories about Mr. Cowen, but I cannot recall the source at the moment. One story described his tinkering at home. Maybe a TCA magazine article?

 

In the wonderful TM Video "Tinplate Legends Part 3", John DeSantis talks about Louis Hertz and says that, as a teenager, in the 1930s, Hertz interviewed JLC as well as the heads of other toy train makers. Hertz wrote for Model Craftsman Magazine.

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Posted by thesiding on Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:37 PM

The book was All Aboard  by Ron Holander

 

J Cowens second wife claimed in the book things at the home  for display were lit by Lionel Lights

 

Also Cowen tried to buy one of his 1902 Gondola's once from someone at some point

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Posted by cwburfle on Friday, May 29, 2015 4:39 AM

. Hertz wrote for Model Craftsman Magazine.

Hertz was a prolific writer, and published a number of books. My personal favorite is "The Toy Collector". Another popular book is "Messrs. Ives of Bridgeport". I did a search on the internet, and did not see a site listing his books. However, a search on Amazon does show quite a few.

His writing was not limited to trains.


I recently learned that Mr. Hertz tried his hand at publishing his own magazine. I picked up a few volumes in a stack of old Model Railroading / Toy Train magazines I picked up at an antique show. There were a number of publications I had never seen before.

Its my impression that Ives Trains were his favorite.

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