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Modified Lionel 8005 General
Posted by Willi on Friday, February 15, 2013 5:20 PM

Hi

I modified a Lionel 8005 and would like to get feedback from the comunity. That way I can learn and my next Mod can be better. I put on shorter and thinner Handrails, a headlight lens, plexiglas window inserts and a gloss and flat black paint job.

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Posted by lionelsoni on Friday, February 15, 2013 6:53 PM

Nineteenth-century American locomotive headlights had no lens.  The light was focused by a parabolic reflector behind the oil flame.

The piston rods could not have been painted.  They were bare metal going into and out of the cylinders.  Any paint would quickly be removed by the stuffing box.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Friday, February 15, 2013 6:54 PM

Looks great!  Perhaps a thin line of gold down the running boards?

Becky

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Posted by RedfireS197 on Friday, February 15, 2013 7:29 PM

Penny Trains

Looks great!  Perhaps a thin line of gold down the running boards?

Becky

Becky beat me to it.Smile  Gold on the edge of the running boards would really tie everything together nicely.

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Posted by Willi on Friday, February 15, 2013 9:25 PM

Yes you are right. I used the wrong word. There was no lens it was just a sheet of glass. The piston rod on the model are not painted. On a 8005 they are red plastic. I was thinking about painting them gunmetal but like you sad it would rub of so I left them. I agree it doesn't look right. I think this finish is nicer than a all red engine. It was the first try my next modification will be better.

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Posted by Willi on Friday, February 15, 2013 9:29 PM

Thanks for the replay. The original engine has a silver running board edge. So what do you think, gold or silver?

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Posted by Hudson#685 on Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:54 AM

Willi,

Looking Great!!! Go with the GOLD!

John

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Posted by KRM on Saturday, February 16, 2013 2:13 PM

To me the 8005 as it comes from Lionel is an ugly duck. Ick! You have made it much better. I would of used a semigloss black but that is just me. It looks Great. I agree with John, Gold

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, February 16, 2013 4:36 PM

Looks great!  I'd go a little further and gold paint the valve and cylinder assemblys for a more 19th Century look, in addition to gold trim on the running boards.  As a matter of fact I'd use flat black for the top of the running boards and possibly semi-gloss gray on the smoke box. 

A question for all:  anyone know why Lionel used 8005 as the engine's number instead of the prototypical 3?  

By the way, I repainted my old Marx 4-4-0 years ago with a 19th Century C.R.R of New Jersey scheme years ago.   The old markings had worn off a long time ago anyway.

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Posted by lionelsoni on Saturday, February 16, 2013 5:53 PM

There are three prototypical numbers:  None until the end of the Civil War, then 39 until 1880, then 3 until the present day.

It also had various fuels, in chronological order, wood, coal, wood, coal, oil.  The present smokestack is said to be a diamond coal stack disguised inside a balloon wood stack.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:45 PM

Thanks for the response lionelsoni.  I'm aware of the "General"  numberings, it was the Lionel 8005 number I was curious about.  Maybe no-one knows.  I've been told there seemed to little rhyme or reason as to the numbers Lionel put on their engines.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:12 PM

I always figured the 8000 numbering had something to do with DC vs AC.

Becky

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:45 PM

Thanx for the input, Becky.  I noticed the photos have been yanked.  Wonder why? 

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Posted by Penny Trains on Sunday, February 17, 2013 7:11 PM

Perhaps a problem with photobucket's new format?

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:13 PM

Could be a "Photobucket"  issue, but I don't know enough about that stuff to even guess.

By the way, I can't help but ask, and maybe you've been asked this before, but just what does "  A Lithium Flower about to bloom"  mean?   Are you battery powered?

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Posted by Penny Trains on Monday, February 18, 2013 6:30 PM

It's a line from a song. "She's so cold and solo.  She's just something new.  A waking lithium flower just about to bloom.  I smell lithium now.  Smelling lithium now." 

So, why do I use it as an epigram?  Lithium is the lightest element yet discovered and when you mix it with hydrogen you get Lithiumdeuteride which is the primary fuel in thermonuclear weapons.  So a "lithium flower" would be the detonation cloud of the bomb.  One that's "waking" and "about to bloom" would be a high energy reaction that's just begun and could change the world as we know it.  Pretty cool huh?  Big Smile

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Posted by webenda on Monday, February 18, 2013 7:52 PM
Willi

Thanks for the replay. The original engine has a silver running board edge. So what do you think, gold or silver?

If the original was silver, I vote for silver. Black with silver and brass trim would look great. [opinion]

Interesting about your photos. They are still in PhotoBucket but in a different album with different URLs.

Lionel 8005 modified 2 photo 8005-02_zps5bf867bc.jpg

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Posted by Willi on Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:58 AM

Hi Wayne

Thanks for your input. About the photos. Yes the general pictures are still in the Photobucket. I just copied them and I reorganized my photos in there thats why they are turning up on a different place. In Photobucked you can find photos of all my Lionels.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:24 PM

Becky:

Ah, so THAT'S the "Waking Lithium Flower about to Bloom!"  As in Ka-BOOM!   So you're an O Gauge modeler driven by a thermonuclear core.  Interesting. 

I'm still in the black powder era.  And detonated by a flintlock.  And refusing to change!

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