Lionel 2025 (O-27 or O?)

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Lionel 2025 (O-27 or O?)
Posted by thankey on Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:18 PM

Is this engine O or O-27? The bottom of mine says O and it has trouble negotiating O-27 curves. But http://www.postwarlionel.com/cgi-bin/postwar?ITEM=2025 says it O-27 as do several other pundits.

Any tips on making it behave on O-27 track with 27" curves?

Those who own one of these, how do you like them and do you run on O27?

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Posted by Jumijo on Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:22 PM

The 2025 is an O gauge locomotive that was sold with O27 track, giving it an O27 designation. The 675 was an O gauge loco sold with O track. Both are exactly the same except for the number on the cab.

Try placing a straight piece or even a 1/2 straightpiece between each curved section.

We have a 2025, and love it. It's from 1947, runs silky smooth and is a very good puller. 

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Posted by sir james I on Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:51 PM
as stated by Jumijo,the 2025/675 are the same engine.the 2025 was sold with many 027 sets and should not have any problem on 027 curves. The 675 was sold as an O gauge engine. But they are the same.

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Posted by 37fleetwood on Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:33 PM

mine says O27 on the bottom, go figure. I agree great runner.

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Posted by kpolak on Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:01 AM

I have (2) 1947 2025's (silver stack w/ nickel rims) and I love them!  Great runners.  I run on 31" curves.

The K4 Pacific, is 14'-6" tall, and the 2025 and 675 scale out about 12-6".  They should run on 027.

Can you describe the trouble you are having?

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Posted by RockIsland52 on Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:21 AM
 thankey wrote:

Is this engine O or O-27? The bottom of mine says O and it has trouble negotiating O-27 curves. But http://www.postwarlionel.com/cgi-bin/postwar?ITEM=2025 says it O-27 as do several other pundits.

Any tips on making it behave on O-27 track with 27" curves?

Those who own one of these, how do you like them and do you run on O27?

A friend of mine came over during the holidays with his 681 Turbine.  Running on O27 tubular track.  Same issue, derail of either the tender or the rear truck on the engine.  On closer examination, the corner of the cab on the engine was clipping the top edge of the tender.  The rear stem coupler on the engine is adjustable for hooking up that "coal car."  We lengthened it.   Problem solved.

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Posted by Jumijo on Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:42 AM
 37fleetwood wrote:

mine says O27 on the bottom, go figure. I agree great runner.

Scott

The 2025s do have O27 on the bottom. They are designated as O27 solely because of the track that they came with.

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Posted by msacco on Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:18 AM

Well, not quite Jim, as I have a '47 2025 that has "O" on the bottom. And I'm  100% sure that's it's original.

     I bet very early the plate just said "O". In the repair manual the pickup roller pictured for the 2025/675 just says "O". The 027 designation on the plate probably came on a later run.

 

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Posted by Jumijo on Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:52 AM
 msacco wrote:

Well, not quite Jim, as I have a '47 2025 that has "O" on the bottom. And I'm  100% sure that's it's original.

     I bet very early the plate just said "O". In the repair manual the pickup roller pictured for the 2025/675 just says "O". The 027 designation on the plate probably came on a later run.

 

Mike S

Well there you go!

Wink [;)]

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Posted by BDT in Minnesota on Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:08 PM

One thing to keep in mind;  there is more than one group of locomotives that contain the 675-2025 numbers.

The 675 and 2025 locomotives built from 1947 to 1949 had a 2-6-2 wheel arrangement...these locomotives also had nickel-rimmed drivers and did not have magnetraction....

These locomotives were replaced in 1950 and 1951 by the 2035 locomotive with a 2-6-4 wheel arrangement... the 2035 featured magnetraction, and did not have the nickel-rimmed drivers, but had a boiler shell with the belpaire firebox, simular in appearance and size to the earlier 675-2025.

In 1952, due to the Korean War effort, there was a shortage of magnetic material, which was needed by the military.

So, Lionel could not build the magnetraction equipped 2035....

As a compromise, Lionel built this newer 2-6-4 locomotive without magnetraction and numbered them 675 and 2025 for 1952 production.

sadly, 1952 was the last year these beautiful monsters were produced.

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Posted by LL675 on Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:39 PM
both of my 675s say O, and they both run fine on my O27 track and switches. as does my 671,736,2046.

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Posted by Crabby44 on Monday, February 18, 2008 8:47 AM

I bought two Lionel 2025's a few years ago and I am trying to find out the year they were made. I believe that they are both from 1948-1949 era. One has a 2466WX tender and a red and gold decal on boiler plate. Most of the 2025's that I have seen have the red and gold keystone decal on the front with the numbers 5690. However one of my engines has 6200 stamped on the keystone decal. Does anyone know about this model?

 

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Posted by msacco on Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM

Early run 1947 (as per McComas and Tuohy). Nice find. Although I believe the white number should be the Lionel number 675 or 2025. Also the keystone shouldn't be a decal and the numbers should be heat stamped. Should also have a silver stack.  I would double check the keystone to see if it's original.

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Posted by kpolak on Monday, February 18, 2008 12:24 PM

 Crabby44 wrote:
   Most of the 2025's that I have seen have the red and gold keystone decal on the front with the numbers 5690. However one of my engines has 6200 stamped on the keystone decal. Does anyone know about this model?

The 681 6-8-6 S2 turbine came with a 6200 decal on the boilerfront.  The 2025/675's all had 5690 on the decals.  The Boilerfront assembly on the 681 dies not resemble the 2025.  The 681 has the top of the cowcatcher attached to the boilerfront, whereas the 2025 is just the boilerfront.

Is it possible that someone put the wrong number decal on your boilerfront?

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Posted by Crabby44 on Monday, February 18, 2008 7:38 PM

It both units have the short black smokestack so chances are neither of them are from 1947. The 6200 boiler plate was a probably a replacement that someone put on years ago. It seems to be worn and weathered like the rest of the engine but it still looks good. Thank you all for your help.

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Posted by MAH on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 10:48 AM

Purchased a lionel 2025 and noticed if you look forward in the cab interior from the rear of the engine the motor is exposed. Is there a trim piece missing to protect the engine from dirt and dust ?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 11:10 AM

I've got a 2056 with the same configuration, that is, an exposed motor.  All the 2056's were like that.  I don't have a 2025 but I'd assume that exposed motor is typical.

Don't worry too much about dirt and dust, just inspect it from time to time.  It's no problem.

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Thursday, August 01, 2019 6:36 PM

MAH
...Is there a trim piece missing to protect the engine from dirt and dust ?

No.

Rob

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