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Locomotive type identification please help.
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:26 PM

Ok, guys I posted this on the Trains; Locomotive forum.  I'm looking for the engine type that is in the photo below, and more specifically who makes an O-gauge equivilant of it.  This one ran off the L&N line and was active in the first part of the 1900's possibly until the 1930's.  This is the best image that I could find of the locomotive, in fact it was the only image that I could find.  Any help that you might be able to provide will be greatly appreciated; engine type, engine number, possible equivelants for modeling.

BTW, from the photo it looks like a 4-6-?, either 4-6-0 or 4-6-2, I can't be sure.

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Posted by magicman710 on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:38 PM

Hey ATSJer, that appears to be a old 4-6-2 made for that railroad by the Rogers Locomotive and Machine Works in New Jersey in the early 1900s. Only one survives, Its in the Kentucky Railway Museum, that one was built in 1905 and its serial number is 6256. I hope this helps.

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:40 PM

I need a shot of the cattle catcher but it sure looks like it fits the bill.

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Posted by magicman710 on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:44 PM
 ATSJer wrote:

I need a shot of the cattle catcher but it sure looks like it fits the bill.

Yep, thats it, I was about to post a pic too. Nice looking locomotive.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:47 PM

Different cattle catcher, and head light, pistons, and sand domes but looks to be pretty similar.

Who makes one that looks like this in O-gauge?

Here's a front end pic

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:17 AM
any other guesses on this one?  In particular where I might be able to find a similar o-gauge engine.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:39 AM

I think I'm getting closer; and I think my first estimate of it being a 4-6-? might be wrong, instead I'm thinking now that it may be a 2-8-0 as pictured here

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Posted by lionelsoni on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:52 AM

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:16 AM
 lionelsoni wrote:

There are 3 pictures somewhere:

http://www.paintlickreflections.com/Index_to_Garrard%20County.doc

LOL, those shouldn't be hard to track down, because the lady who writes the "Paint Lick Reflections" magazine, is a member of my church!

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:56 AM

 ATSJer wrote:
LOL, those shouldn't be hard to track down, because the lady who writes the "Paint Lick Reflections" magazine, is a member of my church!

Ok, I just got off the phone with the author, the page references are for her book titled "Images of America Garrard County" and they are for the times that the train or the rail-line was mentioned in captions etc.  What's funny is that I have the book on my shelf, and it says that the rail service in our town were ended in 1934.  That definitely helps narrow the time frame for the engine.

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Posted by palallin on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:03 AM

I'd say she's a Ten Wheeler.  By the look of the headlamp, valve gear, and the single-stage air compressor combined with the slat pilot, soemwhere between 1900 and WWI or so.

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:10 PM

Ok, here's where I'm at after a day's worth of scouring local libraries.

L&N  ran the Consolidation (2-8-0), G-13 ten wheelers (4-6-0), and the class H-23's (2-8-0).  Any of which could easily fit the photo, and all fit the time period. 

Below is a composite scan of the three engines that to me best fit the previous photo; its from "The Louisville & Nashville Railroad, 1850-1963"

I've also found one article that cites the L&N "Old Henry" as the #11, and then a better photo that is possibly the "Old Henry" (the one shown earlier) that shows the #23 on the front.  My next task is to try and figure out if I can find any information on either of those two engines.

Here are possible engines that I found in "The Louisville & Nashville Railroad 1850-1963"

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Posted by snagletooth on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:41 PM

 I may have found it. I saw what looked like the number 180 on the firebox door, did a search, and came up with a L&N 4-6-2 Pacific #183. It looks close, (I'm not steam fan, but it looked real close to me)

http://kohlin.com/L&N/l&n183.jpg 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:20 PM
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I appreciate the effort, but this isn't the same one.  The one I'm looking for has no steps on the sides of the firebox.  Plus the cattle catcher is longer on the one I'm looking for, they do look similar, the one question that I have is whether or not there is a set of axles after the drive wheels.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:07 AM

Any suggestions on models that look similar to any of these?

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Posted by locomutt on Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:40 AM
 ATSJer wrote:

Any suggestions on models that look similar to any of these?

Try contacting the L & N Yahoo Group at lnrr@yahoogroups.com

Some one there should be able to help you identify that locomotive. 

#152 is the one preserved at the Kentucky Railway Museum, you can find out more by going to

krm.org. 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:49 AM
 locomutt wrote:
Try contacting the L & N Yahoo Group at lnrr@yahoogroups.com

Some one there should be able to help you identify that locomotive. 

#152 is the one preserved at the Kentucky Railway Museum, you can find out more by going to

krm.org. 

Thanks, I'm already in contact with the L&N group on yahoogroups, it seems that there is some debate about the identity of this loco there as well.  As for the #152, yeah, we're about an hour from it and I'll be taking my son in the next few weeks. 

Right, now I'm just looking for O-gauge equivilants to these engines, looks like G-gauge has some nice one's but they don't quite fit on my 3 rail. Wink [;)]

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Posted by rogruth on Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:39 PM
REmember that cow-catchers,valve gear,headlights etc. were often changed due to rebuilding and changing rules.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:26 PM

 rogruth wrote:
REmember that cow-catchers,valve gear,headlights etc. were often changed due to rebuilding and changing rules.

Yeah, I was giving some thought to that as well, and it really seems that its going to be a matter of figuring out exactly how many axles it had and who makes an engine like it that I can afford.

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Posted by palallin on Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:36 PM
True enough, which is why their presence in a photo is so valuable for dating purposes.

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